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UNBELIEVABLE!! Days of Heaven, Platoon, Die Hard and Ong-Bak... all NOT in HD!

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Every so often these premium channels actually show a movie that I either (1) have not seen but really wanted to, or (2) have seen and now want to see again as well as possibly archive to D-VHS.


Such is the case for four upcoming movies shown this week: Die Hard on StarzHD, Ong-Bak on ShoHD, Platoon on ShoHD, and Days of Heaven on MaxHD. All of these fall into one of the two above categories.


And, unbelievably, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE FOUR MOVIES IS NOT BEING SHOWN IN HD!!!


Yes, only Ong-Bak (which I never saw but wanted to) is recent, but it was presented in 1.85:1 OAR. So why can't the print for ShoHD be in 16:9? Actually I don't know that it won't be in 16:9 but it certainly is not shown in the schedule to suggest that it will be. And it's certainly not shown as HD, OAR or otherwise.


The other three movies (all of which I have seen and all three of which I'd love to see again and add to my D-VHS library... especially Days of Heaven which along with House of Flying Daggers comprise two of the most beautiful looking pictures ever filmed, IMHO) are also not shown on any of the schedules as HD.


And all four do not show DD5.1 on their schedules, but merely stereo sound.


Grrr....


I finally find some movie I'd actually like to watch on these channels, and amazingly they are ALL not in HD!! Hope they're at least not made from as awful a print as Saturday Night Fever was.
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Well I just looked further at the upcoming schedule, and two more movies from yesteryear are being shown on MaxHD and I'd like to watch them both: Norma Rae from 1979, and Around the World In 80 Days (original) from 1956.


Once again... NEITHER OF THESE IS BEING SHOWN IN HD!


What a drag!
When Platoon started last night, it said "DD5.1 HDTV on Showtime HD where available." It was definitely 16:9, but I didn't check if it was truly HD.
"UNBELIEVABLE!! Days of Heaven, Platoon, Die Hard and Ong-Bak... all NOT in HD!"


Yes, that's one reason, after noticing this happen with Starz and Cinemax too often, I finally dropped RCN Cable this year, which I'd earlier combined with Time Warner Cable just to have those two so-called HD premiums exclusive to RCN at my location (via cable).


Hoping TWC will quickly adapt switched broadcasting locally to boost bandwidth efficiency, then smoke a peace pipe with ZOOM officials to deliver ZOOM's movie lineup--ideally at 1920X1080, not ~1400X1080. Okay...make that ZOOM's movies etc. not only at 1920X1080, but also up to 40 Mbps via each 256-QAM 6-MHz-wide cable slot. Toss in whatever new switched-video tech Scientific Atlanta unveiled at NCTA2006. -- John


EDIT: Really too bad about Days of Heaven. It's an exceptional piece of film art; hope it makes it to 1080 DVD ASAP.
I didn't notice that Platoon was on last night. I was going through the schedule after it had aired.


But TitanTV doesn't show it as having been in HD, nor is it even shown on the Showtime Schedule (although it is present on their Movies A-Z). TitanTV also doesn't show its upcoming presentations as being in HD. That's what I was going by since the Showtime site itself oddly does not have it on the daily/weekly/monthly schedule.


Same with Ong-Bak... shown in Movies A-Z but not in the ordinary schedule. So I can't tell what Showtime claims, only what TitanTV shows.


Same with all the other movies... all shown by TitanTV as NOT in HD.
The StarzHD schedule shows Die Hard as WS and stereo, not TrueHDTV nor DD5.1.


The HBO/Max schedule shows none of those movies on MaxHD as TrueHDTV.
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When Platoon started last night, it said "DD5.1 HDTV on Showtime HD where available." It was definitely 16:9, but I didn't check if it was truly HD.
Great. Another gem missed because their stupid Fn website cannot get their sh!t straight. :mad:
The next showing of Platoon on Showtime HD will be Sat 5/13 1:00am ET/PT.

Sho.com incorrectly lists the date as Fri 5/12, probably because the time is soon after midnight.
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Great. Another gem missed because their stupid Fn website cannot get their sh!t straight. :mad:
I dvr'd it, it looked to be 1:85 just like the dvd if i remember correctly and in HD. I checked sho.com and oddly it's not listed their in their HD listings.
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I didn't notice that Platoon was on last night. I was going through the schedule after it had aired.


But TitanTV doesn't show it as having been in HD..........Same with all the other movies... all shown by TitanTV as NOT in HD.
I wouldn't take anything TitanTV says as gospel. They have been known to be wrong in the past. Many times, in fact.
Platoon was definitely in HD on Showtime. Titan TV is wrong many times.
Well just in case... I've set the DVR to get all six of these movies anyway as they appear over the next week or so (including Platoon's next replay).


The worst that can happen is they'll be disappointing, but they also might be surprises, as apparently Platoon was (for those who did get it the other night).


All in all, Ong-Bak is still the one I'm most looking forward to because it's the one I haven't actually seen already. I understand it's supposed to be remarkable from a martial arts perspective because there are NO SPECIAL EFFECTS. No CGI magic. Just pure skill! I don't have any great expectations on the story or the rest of it, but I have been told the martial arts sequences are quite surprising because of the pure skill exhibited.


But for anyone who hasn't ever seen "Days of Heaven", it's a classic which won the Cinematography Oscar for Haskell Wexler. Genuinely beautiful when I saw it in the theater back in the day. Let's hope the print and HD(?) transfer does not insult the craft.


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"Days of Heaven (1978) is an exquisite, lyrical film of exceptional visual beauty and only the second film of writer-director Terrence Malick, following his critically-acclaimed success with an equally-haunting and visually-striking Badlands (1973). This moody, elegiac film has universally been acclaimed as a cinematographic masterpiece, from the talents of Cuban-born European Nestor Almendros (and 'additional photography' by Haskell Wexler), with naturally-lit, sweeping, 70mm images of crystal clarity and scope, and artfully composed scenes reminiscent of Andrew Wyeth paintings. The film's tagline proclaimed: "Your eyes... Your ears... Your senses... will be overwhelmed.


"However, the surreal, epic-type film counterposes its superlative photography with a slim tale of working class protagonists, told with sparse dialogue and the jarring, quirky, drawling, and dispassionate, colloquial voice-over narration of a streetwise, but unschooled 13 year old girl (Manz). The film is also a social chronicling of the rough-hewn, simple lives of migrant American harvest workers in the Gilded Age during a time of growing industrialization, told with a mix of classical music, contemporary music, and natural sounds."
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The next showing of Platoon on Showtime HD will be Sat 5/13 1:00am ET/PT.

Sho.com incorrectly lists the date as Fri 5/12, probably because the time is soon after midnight.
Very strange. It doesn't show in "HDTV Listing" subset schedule.


But it does show in the "Daily Schedule" (showing all channels) where it is listed just for the non-HD Sho channels it will appear on.


And it also does show on "Movies A-Z" in the "P" group.


This is odd, since normally all movies on Sho East or West also show up "HDTV Listing" (else what good would it really be??). But I suspect their filter for "HDTV Listing" picks up just those movies which are designated as "Widescreen HD" or "Widescreen Upconvert". Clearly Platoon has neither of these designations in its info.


This would also explain the largetime gaps in the "HDTV Listing" that I've always puzzled about but never been able to fathom. Now it makes sense... although it's still very annoying as you're likely to miss movies like this unless you're browsing your provider's Onscreen Guide (Comcast, for me) for the next two weeks, as I just happened to be yesterday. I didn't even know Platoon was playing, regardless of whether it was in 16:9 or HDTV or upconvert or OAR or whatever because I only look at Sho's "HDTV Listing".


Oh, and this would also let TitanTV off the hook as being the culprit here. It's obvious that the source of the confusion goes back to Sho itself... assuming it actually was 16:9 (and HD) as others have reported.
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1) Notting Hill was HD and not listed as such as well


2) Platoon was shown in Canada in HD about 2 months ago so its not surprising its shown up in this country in HD as there clearly is a HD Transfer.
I really like the fact that Showtime maintains a separate HDTV web page for scheduling info, allowing it to be sorted by date or title, and including or excluding upconverts. They also flag the audio format.


Unfortunately, this month they seem to be experiencing some fairly serious problems with that page. "Notting Hill" is still being listed there as an upconvert, though they've finally corrected the lead-in slate with the proper info now. Movies like "Platoon" have fallen through the cracks completely (two more shots: [email protected], [email protected])... as did another titled "11:14" that I stumbled across in OAR HD (one airing left on the 17th at 12:30am). Normally only 4:3 formats are excluded there, but several OAR upconverts have been MIA as well.


It's really a shame.


- Tim
Erik mentioned:

> Sho.com incorrectly lists the date as Fri 5/12, probably because the time is soon after midnight. When Platoon started last night, it said "DD5.1 HDTV on Showtime HD where available." It was definitely 16:9 This would also explain the largetime gaps in the "HDTV Listing" that I've always puzzled about but never been able to fathom.
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And BTW, the panorama on "Days of Heaven" was breathtaking, in all its 4:3 glory. Not.
Haven't seen it yet. Still have another 1 1/2 hours before it starts. Are you saying that MaxHD presented this in 4:3? WHAT A CRIME!!!


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You might want to refer to this page, if you want to minimize your chances of missing something, though they drop all the HD flagging info there.
Well I must say I am quite confused by this day's schedule. The times shown are in several out-of-sequence groupings, and don't seem to match "reality" as shown on other schedule sites such as TitanTV.


So how would I utilize this page to "minimize my chances of missing something"? It seems totally crazy. For example there's nothing scheduled between 11:35AM and 7PM. That's obviously wrong. Also, the leading items are out-of-sequence PM entries (and appear to be the missing afternoon items) except that they don't reflect the afternoon of May 8!


I guess I'll send an email to them, as is my civic duty.


But "Days of Heaven" in 4:3 on MaxHD? Good grief. What a shame.
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Thanks, Erik! That's a useful resource. At least there are no holes there, and you get (almost) a full week at a glance. They also include info on Release Year for each film, which is something that Showtime themselves regrettably does not.


They refer to "HDTV-marked" content, and even have a color code for it... but nothing seems to be tagged?


I also use a rather-nice (pay) guide at www.hdtvmagazine.com , one view format being 2 weeks for a single selected channel. Unfortunately, that one requires an onerous amount of horizontal scrolling, and drops out all SD-flagged programming as white space. But even there, the info is only as good as what they can get from TMS, which is sometimes rather poor.


- Tim
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And BTW, the panorama on "Days of Heaven" was breathtaking, in all its 4:3 glory. Not.
Indeed!


Checked into this about five minutes after it started this morning and was horrified. Stopped the recording and deleted the first five minutes from my list.


What a shame. Unwatchable. The original was spectacular. How could they have picked up a 4:3 print (and low-def at that) and put it on the air? What a disgrace.
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