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Latest Yoeri Geutskens' diagram



" ... In the latest update, for a fairer picture, I've added Philips/Technicolor's Prime Single HDR format, SL-HDR1, even though it's currently supported by LG TVs only. It's ironic that no Philips-branded TV appears to feature it, neither from P&F USA (Funai) nor from TP Vision in Europe.

I've moved Apple to reflect the lack of HLG support. The tvOS11 system software leak just before launch revealed the code is prepared to support HLG but Apple denies it. Perhaps this has to do with Apple TV 4K currently supporting HDMI 2.0a while HLG requires v2.0b. Likely, Apple is in no rush to upgrade this until the company launches live streaming services for Apple TV in 4K HDR.

I've added Amazon Fire TV, which notably is in a different location than Amazon Video. Latter streaming service supports HDR in both HDR10 and Dolby Vision flavors whereas the company's video streaming device only handles HDR10. Such incongruence is not uncommon. Note the sitation at Google (with Chomecast versus Google Play) is just like it, only the other way round. ..."
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/hdr-format-support-october-update-yoeri-geutskens/
 

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Universal HDR set-top box

ARRIS UHD HDR Android TV could be your next STB.
"At IBC 2017, ARRIS International plc (NASDAQ: ARRS) unveiled a new portfolio of UHD HDR set-top boxes with Android TV™ along with professional services to help simplify and accelerate the launch of Android™ based TV services for operators around the world. …"
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...ns-with-android-tv-at-ibc-2017-300518593.html
http://www.arris.com/products/android-tv-video-devices/






Arris will certify the new ARRIS UHD HDR STB for HDMI 2.1 when the HDMI 2.1 spec is finalized.
These Universal HDR STB are compatible with all existing operational HDR formats.
 

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Still odd to see that the chart hasn't been updated for accuracy, with Samsung now supporting HLG both through internal apps as well as over HDMI, as confirmed by people with both 2016 and 2017 TVs and external devices (including Samsung's M9500/M8500 4K blu ray players) that support HLG.
 

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Still odd to see that the chart hasn't been updated for accuracy, with Samsung now supporting HLG both through internal apps as well as over HDMI, as confirmed by people with both 2016 and 2017 TVs and external devices (including Samsung's M9500/M8500 4K blu ray players) that support HLG.
As he stated in his below post. Just send him a link to an official Samsung announcement.;)


I've said it before and I'll say it again here: Allegedly Samsung supports HLG in their 2017 and even 2016 sets but it seems they cannot be persuaded to admit they do. Despite repeated requests to several Samsung officials I have to this date not seen a single official statement syaing they support HLG.
I do not know why this is, just that it is like this. Perhaps they're afraid of distracting from the message of HDR10+ or otherwise causing confusion?

If you find an official statement somewhere, do let me know.
 

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As he stated in his below post. Just send him a link to an official Samsung announcement.;)


Is this a chart that intends to accurately portray which manufacturers support which HDR formats? If so, then it fails in that regard. Samsung stated back in 2016 that their 2016 TVs would get a HLG firmware update, and they delivered on this promise early in 2017, as confirmed by many individuals who have provided proof. Their 2017 line supports HLG out of the box, as many reviews have confirmed.

As of last month, both the 2016 & 2017 sets support HDMI 2.0b, which means they can both display HLG over HDMI.
 

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Is this a chart that intends to accurately portray which manufacturers support which HDR formats?
No, it is not. It is a chart which portrays which manufacturers have officially announced publicly and on the record, the formats they do/will support.

This is a smaller and more restricted list, than the list of "what works" in our own testing.

He won't update the chart until and unless Samsung announce it, officially.

It's his chart, so he can do what he likes - even if we'd prefer that it showed Samsung supporting HLG.
 

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Ah, so it's a useless and uninformative chart then.

Every professional reviewer, including John Archer of Forbes, of 2017 Samsung TVs was able to get confirmation that they support the format. That should be more than enough.
 

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Ah, so it's a useless and uninformative chart then.
The following post isfrom a discussion on Blu-ray.com over a month ago discussing this chart.

So I'm told but it seems impossibe to find an official statement about that.
They probably don't consider it important enough yet to make an official announcement.
We both know you follow Blu-ray.com. This same issue was discussed over a month ago. It was explained then that he was not going to update the chart without an “Official Samsung announcement”.

So even if you try to deny that, he even restated this a few posts back in this thread. So you fully know that the issue is not, do the Samsungs support it, but that he will not update the chart without an official announcement.

Since this concerns you so much, I think a solution would be for you to produce your own chart.;)
 
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ARRIS UHD HDR Android TV could be your next STB.
"At IBC 2017, ARRIS International plc (NASDAQ: ARRS) unveiled a new portfolio of UHD HDR set-top boxes with Android TV™ along with professional services to help simplify and accelerate the launch of Android™ based TV services for operators around the world. …"

Arris will certify the new ARRIS UHD HDR STB for HDMI 2.1 when the HDMI 2.1 spec is finalized.
These Universal HDR STB are compatible with all existing operational HDR formats.
Not yet Universal HDR STB but

"[Shenzhen, China, October 24, 2017] Huawei and Dolby Laboratories, Inc. (NYSE: DLB) today announced that the Huawei Q22 set-top box is the first IPTV set-top box in the world to support Dolby Vision™ high-dynamic-range (HDR) technology."
 

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The Huawei Q22 could be a universal HDR STB.
Apparently, its SoC is Hi3796M V200 from HiSilicon, a Huawei company.
The Huawei Q22 set-top box is providing by Altibox, a Norwegian fibre operator.
https://www.altibox.no/privat/kundeservice/brukerveiledninger/q22/koble-til-dekoder/
http://avforum.no/forum/digitalt-bakkenett-og-kabel-tv/139409-altibox-huawei-q22-3.html#post2051196
https://www.tek.no/artikler/test-huawei-q22/399158
https://androidtvbox.eu/hisilicon-hi3796m-v200-new-soc-supports-4k-dolby-vision-hdr-10-hlg/





The Hi3796M V200 SoC is compatible with all existing operational HDR formats: HDR10, Dolby Vision, HEVC HLG HDR, VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR ("HEVC and VP9 10bit decoding").
 

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Latest Multi-HDR TV table

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Using a cheap VP9 Profile 2 YouTube HDR compliant media player like the Chromecast Ultra, a Vizio P TV can play VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR contents:

VP9-PQ YouTube HDR file stored on YouTube cloud >> Internet >> VP9-PQ compliant Chromecast Ultra > CTA HDR10 uncompressed video >> HDMI >> HDR10 compliant Vizio TV

VP9-HLG YouTube HDR file stored on YouTube cloud >> Internet >> VP9-HLG compliant Chromecast Ultra > HLG uncompressed video >> HDMI >> HLG HDR compliant Vizio TV.


And then this Vizio TV becomes a universal HDR TV: it can play any existing operational HDR content.
 

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Thanks Puddy77 !





Using a cheap VP9 Profile 2 YouTube HDR compliant media player like the Chromecast Ultra, a Vizio P TV can play VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR contents:

VP9-PQ YouTube HDR file stored on YouTube cloud >> Internet >> VP9-PQ compliant Chromecast Ultra > CTA HDR10 uncompressed video >> HDMI >> HDR10 compliant Vizio TV

VP9-HLG YouTube HDR file stored on YouTube cloud >> Internet >> VP9-HLG compliant Chromecast Ultra > HLG uncompressed video >> HDMI >> HLG HDR compliant Vizio TV.


And then this Vizio TV becomes a universal HDR TV: it can play any existing operational HDR content.
Except HDR10+.
 

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HDR10+ and Technicolor HDR are not yet existing operational HDR formats.

Dolby Vision is currently the most complex HDR format due to its dynamic metadata color volume mapping and its 12-bit dual layer architecture.
Therefore, if a TV SoC like the Vizio P TV's SoC is powerful enough to support Dolby Vision, this TV SoC is able to support any other HEVC HDR format like HDR10+ or Technicolor HDR.
 

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HDR10+ and Technicolor HDR are not yet existing operational HDR formats.

Dolby Vision is currently the most complex HDR format due to its dynamic metadata color volume mapping and its 12-bit dual layer architecture.
Therefore, if a TV SoC like the Vizio P TV's SoC is powerful enough to support Dolby Vision, this TV SoC is able to support any other HEVC HDR format like HDR10+ or Technicolor HDR.
You said operational, not widespread.

Plenty of HDR10+ demos have been shown off at various conferences and a SES has demo'd HDR10+ over satellite. Plus, content providers are already currently HDR10+ for Amazon. By definition, it is operational.

It's not a matter of whether it can support a format, it's a matter of whether it does. You can't call a TV a universal HDR display if it doesn't support all the formats.
 

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You said operational, not widespread.

Plenty of HDR10+ demos have been shown off at various conferences and a SES has demo'd HDR10+ over satellite. Plus, content providers are already currently HDR10+ for Amazon. By definition, it is operational.

It's not a matter of whether it can support a format, it's a matter of whether it does. You can't call a TV a universal HDR display if it doesn't support all the formats.
Look "existing operational" up in a dictionary!

Again, using the VP9 Profile 2 compliant Chromecast Ultra, the Vizio P TV does support all existing operational HDR formats, therefore it's a universal HDR TV for the time being.
 
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