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November update:
Philips entry split into two (EU/@TPVision vs P&F USA) because diverging rather than converging.
Also added vimeo and Kaleidescape (both HDR10 only).
https://twitter.com/UHD4k/status/928308264374341632

@Yoeri What kind of proof do you have of Vimeo supporting HDR10? Does it work on any devices yet? Are there any sample videos you can point to?

Also, Vizio and Chromecast support DV, HDR10, and HLG. Oppo technically supports all three as well (I've found one HLG file to test that plays back via the Oppo 203 and triggers HLG on my Vizio P).

And YouTube supports HDR10 and HLG (upload and playback).
 

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I'm going to set up a company and support SL-HDR1 and HLG but not HDR10, just to see how he manages to represent that on his diagram!
 

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HDR video formats - the prospects



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In practice, probably few consumers are aware of all the ins and outs. Universal HDR support is a strong selling point. It works like an insurance premium. After all, as a consumer you never know what will happen in the future. ...

Do I favor one particular HDR format? I advocate universal HDR support (especially in hardware) but that doesn’t mean I think HDR formats stand equal chances. HDR10 is omnipresent and Dolby Vision unlikely to be beaten as the premium format. HLG stands a chance of establishing itself as the format for broadcast TV and live OTT streaming but needs to work harder to gain support. SL-HDR1 and HDR10+ seem to be fighting an uphill battle and running behind." [Yoeri Geutskens]
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.php?subaction=showfull&id=1510231527
 

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Full HDR experience: only 23% of HDR TV shipped in 2017

""We expect that only 23 percent of the ultra-high-definition televisions that ship in 2017 will offer the full HDR experience," IHS Markit analyst Paul Gray said. "The remainder will be able to decode a signal, but lack the high contrast capability to display HDR content to an advantage."

The cost of backlights for liquid-crystal displays (LCDs) remains the biggest obstacle to HDR, the analysis said."
https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2017/11/06/hdr-tv-shipments-to-grow-to-47-9mi-in-2021/



"The truth is that to be an HDR TV, you don’t need to be able to show the benefits of HDR. It’s true. All you need to do is to add the software so you can read the HDR information contained in a signal, and then use that to display an image. What this means is that you have HDR TVs that cannot show brighter highlights, that cannot show richer colors, and cannot do local dimming to improve contrast. It means that when you send an HDR signal to these fake HDR TVs, you will get an image that is virtually identical to an SDR image.

To truly show HDR content with benefits over SDR, a real HDR TV needs to have true local dimming, wide color gamut support, and produce highlights of 500-600 nits or brighter."
https://referencehometheater.com/2017/commentary/lies-hdr-and-statistics/
 

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Those categories on the graph look strange.

What is the blue "LCD HD HDR Compatible"? Would those be 1080p panels, and the other three are just assumed to be 4K?
 

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HDMI 2.1 specification released

"SAN JOSE, California – November 28, 2017 - HDMI Forum, Inc. today announced the release of Version 2.1 of the HDMI® Specification which is now available to all HDMI 2.0 adopters. This latest HDMI Specification supports a range of higher video resolutions and refresh rates including 8K60 and 4K120, and resolutions up to 10K. Dynamic HDR formats are also supported, and bandwidth capability is increased up to 48Gbps.
Supporting the 48Gbps bandwidth is the new Ultra High Speed HDMI Cable. The cable ensures high bandwidth dependent features are delivered including uncompressed 8K video with HDR. It features exceptionally low EMI (electro-magnetic interference) which reduces interference with nearby wireless devices. The cable is backwards compatible and can be used with the existing installed base of HDMI devices."
https://www.hdmi.org/download/hdmi_2_1/HDMI2.1PressRelease_EN.pdf




"All products must comply with Version 2.1 of the HDMI Specification and the HDMI 2.1 Compliance Test Specification (CTS); and until the CTS is available and a product has passed compliance testing a product cannot claim to be 2.1 compliant or market that it supports 2.1 features.
The HDMI 2.1 Compliance Test Specification (CTS) will be published in stages during Q1-Q3 2018."
https://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_1/



 

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My pleasure. Next task, a certain Venn Diagram... ;)

(My 2016 Samsung supports HLG too of course. But it seems that someone is preventing the BBC serving HLG content to it, even though it would work since the Feb 2017 firmware update added HLG support).

ps. breakdown of the BBC HLG supported models list:
 

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Thanks for posting. I'm pleased that he added HLG for Samsung without an official Samsung statement; the level of proof on which he was previously insisting! Good to see the BBC webpage did the trick :)

The same page lists many more manufacturers for HLG:
Finlux
Hisense
Hitachi
Laurus
LG
Linsar
Logik
Mitchell & Brown
Panasonic
Philips
Roku
Samsung
Sky
Sony
Techwood
Toshiba
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HDR10plus gets a logo, Warner Bros Home Entertainment joins HDR10+ Alliance.
https://twitter.com/UHD4k/status/949304854941446144
I thought a very interesting part of the story was this part:
Throughout 2017, Warner has released movies in Dolby Vision format, the competing dynamic metadata based HDR format, but starting this year it will release movies in both formats.
So if they are going to be released in both formats on UHD Blu-Ray, this means that HDR10+ will be added to the UHD Blu-Ray standards much earlier than expected!

The only question is if they will have to create two different packs to sell (either "HDR10/dolby vision" or "HDR10/HDR10+") and deal with people getting confused and buying the wrong one, or they will (as rumoured) be able to put all 3 formats on the same physical disc.
 

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