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"I did a secret internal YouTube thing and updated the video to be 60fps as originally shot. So this is the first UHD, HDR, HFR, HLG video on YouTube. Next one will add WCG to the acronym train.

Shot on URSA Mini 4.6k, graded in HLG 1.2 / Rec 709 on the BVM-X300."
[Steven Robertson - YouTube team]




"We're back to Rec. 2020 color on this one, so things will look a little more desaturated than usual unless you're viewing this on a compatible device. Still using Hybrid Log-Gamma for the transfer function, still shot with URSA Mini 4.6k and mastered on the BVM-X300. Everything was shot at 60fps and edited down to 24 one way or another."
[Steven Robertson - YouTube team]
Excellent! Thank you very, very much posting those. I'm delighted to confirm they work on my Samsung KS 2016 TV. We only found out recently that we could play HLG clips from USB, so it's great to confirm streaming support, too. :D

 

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"I did a secret internal YouTube thing and updated the video to be 60fps as originally shot. So this is the first UHD, HDR, HFR, HLG video on YouTube. Next one will add WCG to the acronym train.

Shot on URSA Mini 4.6k, graded in HLG 1.2 / Rec 709 on the BVM-X300."
[Steven Robertson - YouTube team]




"We're back to Rec. 2020 color on this one, so things will look a little more desaturated than usual unless you're viewing this on a compatible device. Still using Hybrid Log-Gamma for the transfer function, still shot with URSA Mini 4.6k and mastered on the BVM-X300. Everything was shot at 60fps and edited down to 24 one way or another."
[Steven Robertson - YouTube team]
Thanks! These are definitely HLG and they play in HDR on my Samsung TV.
 

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Both my LG's have had no issue playing DV since I got them.

EDIT: just realized CU was Chromecast Ultra....I have not tried that yet. Though in the picture below it's playing a DV video off a USB stick just fine.

Receiving Dolby Vision over HDMI is the rub. Chromecast Ultra is the only device available at the moment. Google and Vudu have confirmed that a fix is in the works. No official. word from LG. Just Google and Vudu stating that LG is aware and working w/Google to resolve.
 

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A hybrid OTT / IPTV set-top box functional for many years to come

IPTV infrastructure (core, distribution, aggregation, access, home network (set-top box (STB) + TV)):
http://www.cisco.com/assets/sol/sp/iptv_sol/cisco_end_to_end_iptv_sol.jpg
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/technolo...echnologies_white_paper0900aecd80730d28-2.jpg



KPN’s IPTV STB:
. HDR10 (i.e. PQ10), HEVC HLG HDR (i.e. HLG10)
. HDMI 2.0b
http://www.dutchguild.nl/31jan2017/HDR and HFR in IPTV Dutch Guild 31Jan 2017 PDF.pdf











An IPTV set-top box functional for many years to come:
. HFR HDR10 (i.e. HFR PQ10), HEVC HFR HLG HDR (i.e. HFR HLG10)
. HDMI 2.1 ([email protected] Hz bandwidth (HFR))













A hybrid OTT / IPTV set-top box functional for many years to come:
. HFR HDR10 (i.e. HFR PQ10), HEVC HFR HLG HDR (i.e. HFR HLG10), Dolby Vision, VP9-PQ / VP9-HLG YouTube HDR
. HDMI 2.1 ([email protected] Hz bandwidth (HFR), SMPTE ST 2094 dynamic metadata (Dynamic HDR))
. Sufficient memory and processing power for eventual Dynamic HDR (Technicolor HDR, HDR10 Plus …) upgrade

OTT vs. IPTV:
http://www.mediaentertainmentinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Difference-OTT-vs.-IPTV.jpg

A list of 4K UHD IPTV / OTT services:
https://ultrahdforum.org/resources/list-of-commercial-uhd-or-4k-services-that-are-live/
 

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Is that an old slide? "Expected CES 2017" it says but that was months ago, and no mention of dynamic metadata for HDR10 aka HDR10+ which, although only formally launched last week, was heavily pre-announced going back to last summer.
 

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US Pay TV providers & HEVC HLG HDR

"Thanks to two forward-thinking Pay TV systems, the future of 4K is beginning to unfold in the US. Vivicast Media salutes Marquette-Adams and Highlands Cable Group on becoming the first traditional cable systems in the nation to successfully meet the growing demand for entertainment delivered in next-generation 4K," said Stuart Smitherman, President of Vivicast Media. "Vivicast Media and SES have together greatly accelerated the delivery of compelling Ultra HD TV networks to homes across the US, including the world’s first High Dynamic Range channel, Travelxp 4K, licensed the SES-provided Ultra HD programming through Vivicast Media and have initiated their Ultra HD offerings following successful trials of the SES platform."
http://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...Pay-TV-Providers-Launch-Linear-Consumer-Ultra

 

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Industry rivalry & Consumers

An opinion on "HDR10Plus vs Dolby Vision":
https://twitter.com/JohnnyFocal/status/855725949048041476
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0860338/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr3

"HDR10+ doesn't have the same level of picture analyse in the prep stage as DV. All the clever bits are in a @dolby patent."
"HDR10+ is like some trying to reinvent the wheel but it cant be round. Its a very inelegant solution."
"But still better than vanilla HDR10 as you say."


Whatever is best.
As the industry is unable to reach a consensus, consumers should require that HDR TV shall support all HDR formats.
Thus, it doesn’t matter what HDR format a given program uses; a TV that implements all formats can accommodate the content and display it to its best advantage.

At the end of the day, it is content that matters most, not content format.
No more early-adopter industry-driven HDR TV incompatible with other HDR content, but consumer-driven universal HDR-compliant TV able to play any HDR content!
 

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Video, creative intent & accuracy

Question to Matt McRae, CTO of Vizio:
"Which image do you think is the more accurate? First or second?"



R: "I have also learned that "accurate" is a tough definition - especially with movies. The studio, cinematographer and colorist will master the content into what they deem as the "Director's intent" which is not always "lifelike." I have seen DV masters come in and challenges the accuracy and then later sat with the Director who told me they were trying to achieve a certain "mood" for that scene. They are artists and view light as their medium... through this process I was VERY impressed with Dolby's ability to give the Director a wider palette to achieve the effect they wanted... and in almost every case I have scrutinized it was closer to the original intent of that piece of content."
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...v-no-price-talk-please-1493.html#post52551169

Presentation "What is HDR?" of Josh Limor, VP of Technology and Ecosystem Development at Technicolor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0pj5n1fJjU#t=2m50s










Delivering the "creative intent" once approved in mastering process to the consumer display, while conforming to a more limited color volume of the consumer display and while minimizing color appearance changes in the images, is possible with Dynamic HDR (Dolby Vision, HDR10Plus) ecosystems.
http://danielbafr.free.fr/photos/0cap.jpg
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-h...al-hdr-compliant-displays-4.html#post50666105

 

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Dolby Vision licensing fee & universal HDR TV

Some people are concerned with Dolby Vision licensing fee.

In fact,

"You may hear about one other difference between Dolby Vision and HDR10. Some people will point out that TV manufacturers pay to have Dolby Vision in their displays, while HDR10 is free. While that’s true, the difference isn’t significant.
The royalty cost to add Dolby Vision ranges from less than $3 per TV to lower than $2 per TV."
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/dolby-vision-hdr10-what-format-war-giles-baker

and

TCL P-Series charges just $500 for local dimming, 4K, HDR10 and Dolby Vision (50-inch TCL 50P607)
https://www.cnet.com/products/tcl-55p607/preview/
or $580 (or Y3999) for Dolby Vision, HDR10 and HLG HDR (55-inch TCL FFALCON I-55).
http://www.onenewspage.com/n/Press+...Taps-into-Internet-Market-Debuts-Internet.htm
http://www.gooread.com/article/20121710425/
https://item.jd.com/4016731.html



So the Dolby Vision licensing fee is not a problem.

Dolby Vision, one of several operational digital video formats, should be supported by a universal HDR TV (i.e. a TV supporting all operational HDR formats) in the same way a universal audio/video receiver (AVR) supports Dolby Atmos, one of several operational digital audio formats.

Thus, it doesn’t matter what HDR format a given program uses; a TV that implements all formats can accommodate the content and display it to its best advantage.
 

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