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unsophisticated viewers?

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what do you tell friends/neighbors who dont see the difference when viewing BD /HD movies as compared to a good 1080P upsampled DVD disk?

I have a ruby, rotel 1080P dvd and PS3 for BD. I have displayed both DVD and BD movies and everyone says they look EQUALLY great over the ruby. The difference of the BD is like night and day to me- better clarity, more saturated colors, sharper, better contrast etc.

The issue is - is it me hoping to see differences that aren't really there or do my friends not see the difference before them? Is it all in my head or am I a technology shill?

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You tell them "No Theater For You!" right before throwing your popcorn in their face.



Most people are amazingly dull towards image quality and nuances... they're watching the film, not the pixels. That kind of naive wonder is something I'm still trying to get myself back to, because it makes enjoying film all that much better.


Invariably what I do is set things up the way I like them, because it's my theater after all, and people just have to watch what I put up. And even when I put up trash, it's still all 'ooh' and 'aah'--though most of the time I settle for nothing but the best re-release on the highest resolution format. Then when I go over to their house for a change, I see their 32" first-gen LCD TV (positioned like the king of the room) and the whopping 20-strong DVD movie collection, most of which are marked 'fullscreen', and die a little inside.



(I'm just kidding, but yeah, we're all technology shills here.)
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"Congratulations - you won't need to spend nearly as much as me to be happy!"


Seriously.
To each his own. Some people don't see value in a high end car vs. a basic car. Everyone is different in that regard.

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Originally Posted by Jason Turk /forum/post/0


To each his own. Some people don't see value in a high end car vs. a basic car. Everyone is different in that regard.

Most people can atleast understand the *difference* between a Lamborghini and a Ford, and everyone would get it the instant that the gas pedal was pressed in the Lamb.


I can't tell you how many people stare at something that is clearly superior in every way and say, "Oh, is this different? I don't see it."


It was quite funny. The other day I had 3 friends of mine over to see my theater. I did a demo to compare the differences between HD DVD and basic DVD. 2 of my friends were floored. One of them said, "Wow, HD DVD looks perfect." Another one said, "Yeah dude, DVD sucks now."


And the third one said, "You guys can see a difference? Really?"


I think a good slap to the head might clear that up.
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True, but that is a larger spread of analogy. I was thinking more like Lexus vs. Toyota. I think anyone would see the difference between a SP4805 and a Runco SC1.
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Jason (not that Jason, some other Jason
) tells me that if you put a great HD-DVD porn flick on, they can't even tell the difference between a pair of roller skates and a Harley.
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I understand the value difference but I am not talking about value. Most people think I am crazy what I spend on HT and cars! I am talking about what they see. They honestly believe they see no difference, independent of value. How do we educate them to get these people on the BD bandwagon or do we just give up and let HD and BD be relegated to the niche market and early adopters??

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Originally Posted by thompsdc /forum/post/0


I understand the value difference but I am not talking about value. Most people think I am crazy what I spend on HT and cars! I am talking about what they see. They honestly believe they see no difference, independent of value. How do we educate them to get these people on the BD bandwagon or do we just give up and let HD and BD be relegated to the niche market and early adopters??

To the average girl, all diamonds are beautiful. Just owning a diamond, especially a big one, is something to brag about.


To someone who is "into" diamonds, there's a big difference between the crap they sell at Zales and a high quality rock. Can you see the difference? Can the average joe?


Mostly people recognize the sparkle. Yes, a high quality diamond that is cut well will sparkle more than the average diamond, but 9 out of 10 people shop at the mall and are happy and would not appreciate the difference in cut if you explained it to them -- and you'd have to explain it to them, believe me.


It's similar with video gear. I am constantly amazed at what people can't see.
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Its like high end audio. Some people save to have Wilsons and others think there is no better than Bose. If one believes there is no real better than what one has, one will never be unhappy for not having something better. So lets all crusade and make the rest miserable.
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Its like high end audio. Some people save to have Wilsons and others think there is no better than Bose. If one believes there is no real better than what one has, one will never be unhappy for not having something better. So lets all crusade and make the rest miserable.

Here here!
This reminds me of a story I heard quite a while ago when a very famous audiophile participated in a double blind test between a tube amp and a transistor amp. The end result was that he couldn't score higher than 50% accuracy determining which was which. So he dumped his expensive tube amp and purchased an equally expensive transistor amp. Later a fellow audiophile visited his home and howled about the transistor amp pointing out this and that was wrong and the audophile agreed! He dumped his brand new transistor amp and bought another tube amp.... Just goes to show the power of suggestion...
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Some people can't even tell that their LCD monitors are running at non native resolution, they just live with blurry text...


Most people who view movies on projectors are more keen on how big of an image you throw, not how pretty the picture is.


Cheers...

Duy-Khang Hoang
"Jason (not that Jason, some other Jason ) tells me that if you put a great HD-DVD porn flick on, they can't even tell the difference between a pair of roller skates and a Harley."


Check out this cool optical illusion:
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Originally Posted by FremontRich /forum/post/0


This reminds me of a story I heard quite a while ago when a very famous audiophile participated in a double blind test between a tube amp and a transistor amp. The end result was that he couldn't score higher than 50% accuracy determining which was which. So he dumped his expensive tube amp and purchased an equally expensive transistor amp. Later a fellow audiophile visited his home and howled about the transistor amp pointing out this and that was wrong and the audophile agreed! He dumped his brand new transistor amp and bought another tube amp.... Just goes to show the power of suggestion...

Yeah, but that's a case of a couple of people hearing things that aren't there, which is the opposite end of the spectrum from the people who can't see anything even when it's right in front of their face.


There is a middle ground. It's called reality.
The worst day of my life is the day I realized that wine out of box no longer tasted good. From that day on, I knew I would be spending a lot more on wine, and while momentarily happy when I find a good one, I am forever cursed to be in search of a better one. I was much happier getting smashed on a $7 gallon of Ernest and Julio Gallo.


Now I find myself in the same rat race with projectors. Everyone who has ever seen my measly Sharp MX-20 1024 x 768 has oohed and aahed all over it. Now I just bought a new house that came with a Mits HC3000, and everyone oohs and aahs over it... Everyone except me. To me, its black levels are crushed, its white levels are clipped, its resolution is too low, I can't see every individual blade of grass while watching a football game in HD, I see occassional rainbows... Need I go on? So now I want a JVC RS-1. And when I get one, I'm never coming back to these forums so I can remain ignorant of the next best thing and be happy again! (likely story).


Ignorance is bliss. Don't spoil it for those lucky enough to be blessed with it.
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Originally Posted by noah katz /forum/post/0


"Jason (not that Jason, some other Jason ) tells me that if you put a great HD-DVD porn flick on, they can't even tell the difference between a pair of roller skates and a Harley."


Check out this cool optical illusion:

Thanks for that... just had to send that around the office



Cheers...

Duy-Khang Hoang
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Noah has out done himself. He supplies a link to a picture and without a word, not one word, mind you, gives us not one, but TWO fantastic points. BTW I wouldn't mind seeing what's south of the border.
Optical illusion #2) Stare at this photo long enough and you will eventuall see another boat in the background.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...mpression4.jpg
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