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I've turned one of my smallish bedrooms (~12feet x 12feet) into a 4K room. I currently have a nakamichi 7.2 DTS X setup with my 65" LG B9 with a X1. I've been using that setup for 6 months but I just find the bass to be underwhelming - not punchy, not deep, and often rips even though it's only turned up 70%.



My larger theater room is setup with a projector, x3500h, 7.1 aperion intimus speakers, and a SBS2000 and obviously that sounds much better.



I'm thinking of moving the nakamichi setup to another bedroom and upgrading the 4K room. Adorama is running a great deal on the RX-V685 (so I'll pick that up), I already have a spare Aperion 8" sub I'm very happy with. So all I need are speakers (centers, L/R/RR/RL). Budget is
 

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I've turned one of my smallish bedrooms (~12feet x 12feet) into a 4K room. So all I need are speakers (centers, L/R/RR/RL). Budget is
 

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Leaning towards Polk Audio LSiM704c for $199 sale at Adorama and LSiM703 Bookshelfs.

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undoubtedly great values vs normal MSRP, but I thought you had a 8" depth limit?

The 703s should have the most mid-bass of all the speakers in this thread of course. It all depends on your usage. If it's all HT/TV then I'd go for the NHTs...no need to spend more than needed, plus they are the most compact and highest-WAF with a very elegant black finish.

3 x RSL CG23 could also be considered, also high WAF and you get free return shipping:
https://rslspeakers.com/products/cg23-monitor-center-channel/
 

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undoubtedly great values vs normal MSRP, but I thought you had a 8" depth limit?

The 703s should have the most mid-bass of all the speakers in this thread of course. It all depends on your usage. If it's all HT/TV then I'd go for the NHTs...no need to spend more than needed, plus they are the most compact and highest-WAF with a very elegant black finish.

3 x RSL CG23 could also be considered, also high WAF and you get free return shipping:
https://rslspeakers.com/products/cg23-monitor-center-channel/

I'm thinking I might mount a deeper shelf if I needed to accommodate deeper speakers. Any issues mixing the 704c w/ the NHTs? I see that NHT has a Super Center 2.1 Center Channel for $130.



Yes, this is 100% 4K movie/netflix shows/X1 gaming.
 

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I'm thinking I might mount a deeper shelf if I needed to accommodate deeper speakers. Any issues mixing the 704c w/ the NHTs? I see that NHT has a Super Center 2.1 Center Channel for $130.

Yes, this is 100% 4K movie/netflix shows/X1 gaming.
That NHT SuperCenter has gotten mixed reviews, that's why I always recommend a 3rd SuperOne for the center.

If a horizontal center is preferred, you'd be better off with the $250 Emotiva C1 which is also a sealed cabinet design. It's neutral enough to go with anything, really.

The Polks are rear ported, so switching them to "small" in order to reduce having tight rear clearance kind of negates their mid-bass advantage. And for your non-music usage you will never get to enjoy their overall SQ advantages either.
 

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I'm thinking I might mount a deeper shelf if I needed to accommodate deeper speakers. Any issues mixing the 704c w/ the NHTs? I see that NHT has a Super Center 2.1 Center Channel for $130.



Yes, this is 100% 4K movie/netflix shows/X1 gaming.
The Polk LSIM are a good level above the NHT and for the price can't be beat. As previously mentioned, the LSIM may be overkill for a secondary TV/HT setup. Of course there's nothing preventing you from moving them to a different setup later on. Also keep in mind that the speakers are quite large and heavy.
 

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the JBL B15, 199/pr at Amazon... less than 5" deep, sealed, with keyhole mounts.

arena 125C can be had from Amazon at 169 (cheaper than JBLs website)
 

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the JBL B15, 199/pr at Amazon... less than 5" deep, sealed, with keyhole mounts.

arena 125C can be had from Amazon at 169 (cheaper than JBLs website)
Thanks for this. As I went for measuring, I think even the 8" depth of the NHTs might be too much :(. The soundbar right now protrudes about 3.5"



Here's a better pic as to why - this is what you see as you enter the room so a whole 12" shelf might be too much.
 

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Take a look at my setup - as you can see - very tight. So you think mounting a bookshelf as a center doesn't really have a terrible effect on dialogue, etc. for this room/setup?
What I'd do is wall mount 3 bookshelves above the TV, tilted downwards. You can use 3 identical vertical speakers like the NHTs or Ascends that way.
 

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What I'd do is wall mount 3 bookshelves above the TV, tilted downwards. You can use 3 identical vertical speakers like the NHTs or Ascends that way.
Ok not a bad idea but will take some effort to snake the speaker wires behind the wall and would have to work some magic on fixing the current soundbar mounting holes.



Quality wise - how does the JBL recommendation fare against the NHTs?
 

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Ok not a bad idea but will take some effort to snake the speaker wires behind the wall and would have to work some magic on fixing the current soundbar mounting holes. Quality wise - how does the JBL recommendation fare against the NHTs?
For your usage, about even but I'd take the NHTs for the same price, better looking, and much better sounding during any musical parts.
 

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That scenario looks like a perfect match for the RSL CG3/23 package. If you are used to Aperion, the clean highs should be appreciated. They can also go quite loud for a smaller speaker and should be more than enough for that small room. Crossing over to the 8" sub at 100/80 should also work out well. Only 6" deep, front ported, keeps you from having to do any woodwork.

If you have any additional budget, adding a second sub would benefit in more even frequency response in that 12x12 (x8?) room.
 

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Ok not a bad idea but will take some effort to snake the speaker wires behind the wall and would have to work some magic on fixing the current soundbar mounting holes.



Quality wise - how does the JBL recommendation fare against the NHTs?
Just lower the TV to cover the holes and the TV would cover the wires if you mounted speakers above facing down.

Where would the receiver go?
 

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Here's my room setup (see sub and rears now). I've uploaded pics so you're rotating from center of tv, clockwise, to the back of the room. Have to figure out where to put receiver and run wires from it to/fro TV and speakers.



Suggestions? I'll be getting rid of those weights/stand.
 

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That scenario looks like a perfect match for the RSL CG3/23 package. If you are used to Aperion, the clean highs should be appreciated. They can also go quite loud for a smaller speaker and should be more than enough for that small room. Crossing over to the 8" sub at 100/80 should also work out well. Only 6" deep, front ported, keeps you from having to do any woodwork.

If you have any additional budget, adding a second sub would benefit in more even frequency response in that 12x12 (x8?) room.

Ok these are in pole position. Now need to find mounts. I'm thinking mounting the center channel below the TV and the FL & FR on the top corners of the tv. Is it bad that all 3 aren't on the same level?
 

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I'm thinking mounting the center channel below the TV and the FL & FR on the top corners of the tv. Is it bad that all 3 aren't on the same level?
Even though people do that all the time, usually under spousal duress, the answer is yes.

Keeping all 3 speakers with tweeters horizontally aligned will give you a much better soundstage.
 
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That scenario looks like a perfect match for the RSL CG3/23 package. If you are used to Aperion, the clean highs should be appreciated. They can also go quite loud for a smaller speaker and should be more than enough for that small room. Crossing over to the 8" sub at 100/80 should also work out well. Only 6" deep, front ported, keeps you from having to do any woodwork.

If you have any additional budget, adding a second sub would benefit in more even frequency response in that 12x12 (x8?) room.

What you say 100/80, at what hz should I have the sub cross-over? I was thinking 85.
 

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What you say 100/80, at what hz should I have the sub cross-over? I was thinking 85.
You should test various crossover points to find the best scenario in your room. The 100/80 (Hz) was in reference to the two different speakers CG3/CG23, as they have different bass extension points, and most likely require different crossover points. Bottom line, let your ears decide.
 
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