[urbanlegend179]

I live in London (UK) and have a 50" professionally-calibrated VT65 (VT60 as it is known in North America). It's been 4 years and whilst the picture still looks gorgeous, I am tempted to upgrade to a 65" LG C7.

I have a few questions:

1. Is it worth the upgrade? I know 4K content is more widely available now, but is there really a WOW factor in terms of picture quality difference? I mainly watch Sports, Netflix and I want to watch 4k Blu-Rays.

2. Is there really a picture quality difference between the 55" C7 and the 65" C7? How can the same TV have a difference in picture quality just because one is a bigger size?

3. Any meaningful/significant faults with the C7 so far that would make you stay clear of it? How successful have the firmware updates been?

 

[schmiggyjk]

Chiming in because I am in the exact same boat right now. I put my vt60 65 up for sale locally just to see what I could get, and with prices of the c7 dropping I am considering it.

I mainly watch movies, some sports and TV, and do some gaming (no 4k/hdr systems yet though)

 

[Cam1977]

I live in London (UK) and have a 50" professionally-calibrated VT65 (VT60 as it is known in North America). It's been 4 years and whilst the picture still looks gorgeous, I am tempted to upgrade to a 65" LG C7.

I have a few questions:

1. Is it worth the upgrade? I know 4K content is more widely available now, but is there really a WOW factor in terms of picture quality difference? I mainly watch Sports, Netflix and I want to watch 4k Blu-Rays.

2. Is there really a picture quality difference between the 55" C7 and the 65" C7? How can the same TV have a difference in picture quality just because one is a bigger size?

3. Any meaningful/significant faults with the C7 so far that would make you stay clear of it? How successful have the firmware updates been?

I didn't have the vt60, i had the f8500...and the upgrade is definitely worth it...some of the 4k hdr content out their is pretty awesome, the 55 and 65 should provide the same pq...as far as faults uniformity is kind of a pia...and it is a lottery in regards to that, however I will say that I've totally forgotten about my old plasma!

 

[rene2kx]

it's not worth it if all you have (or almost all you have) is 1080p and lower content. i think 1080p and lower content looks better on a native 1080p tv like that panasonic plasma than a 4k oled tv. a 4k oled is going to magnify the imperfection of your lower bitrate and compressed content and it'll look worse than it does on the plasma.
unless you're going to start buying 4k blu ray movies or streaming 4k videos, dont bother upgrading from plasma.

 

[KanosWRX]

I am in the same boat. Love my VT60. One of the best TV's ever made imo. Everytime I am at Bestbuy tough I see the C7 and dream of those inky blacks with super bright colors. I know a Plasma has great blacks too.. but the contrast you get from an OLED and the higher nits just makes it look so much better! Plasma's biggest drawback has always been a lack of brightness, especially where I have my TV, a place with lots of light. It makes it harder to watch during the day. I am going to wait and see what LG has to offer from CES 2018.. but I think next year might be the year I make the leap to OLED.

 

[video_analysis]

Greater brightness notwithstanding, plasma blacks (short of a tweaked 101FD/500M) don't hold a candle to OLED blacks actually (each pixel being independently light controlled), and that even more so applies to the VT60 when watching with lights out.

 

[pwiss]

I didn't have the vt60, i had the f8500...and the upgrade is definitely worth it...some of the 4k hdr content out their is pretty awesome, the 55 and 65 should provide the same pq...as far as faults uniformity is kind of a pia...and it is a lottery in regards to that, however I will say that I've totally forgotten about my old plasma!

I agree! I went from a Panasonic ST60 to a B7A. The image retention on the Panasonic is something I lived with for years. I also use my monitor as a computer monitor. I always could see image retention on the Panny that would eventually get better but never perfect. I have zero image retention with the LG as I can use a low OLED setting in my environment. In regards to uniformity on the LG I notice issues only on certain short stress test scenes which is less than 1% of my viewing. With the Panny I had image retention on 100% of my viewing whether computer or TV. It is nice being able to watch Redzone all day long and not have to worry about image retention. I thought the LG would be worse in this regard but very pleasantly surprised. I would say do the upgrade and don't look back unless for some reason LG fixes the uniformity issues in 2018 which is highly unlikely.

 

[gorman42]

Greater brightness notwithstanding, plasma blacks (short of a tweaked 101FD/500M) don't hold a candle to OLED blacks actually (each pixel being independently light controlled), and that even more so applies to the VT60 when watching with lights out.

Not to nitpick but what you are stating above applies identically to plasma screens. They simply can't completely eliminate light emission on their pixels, but they do control it individually.

 

[urbanlegend179]

it's not worth it if all you have (or almost all you have) is 1080p and lower content. i think 1080p and lower content looks better on a native 1080p tv like that panasonic plasma than a 4k oled tv. a 4k oled is going to magnify the imperfection of your lower bitrate and compressed content and it'll look worse than it does on the plasma.
unless you're going to start buying 4k blu ray movies or streaming 4k videos, dont bother upgrading from plasma.

I intend on mainly streaming 4k videos from Netflix, how do you guys on here rate the Netflix 4K picture quality? Is the Dolby Vision and HDR impressive? I am also looking to purchase a few 4k blu rays such as planet Earth 2. I will also be watching Premier League soccer in 4k and hopefully by September the NFL and NBA will be in 4k also.

Btw, isn't up-scaling supposed to make normal 1080p content look slightly better on a 4k TV? Why would it look worse on 4k? I still watch normal TV such as documentaries/news in 1080p

 

[RoadLizard]

I intend on mainly streaming 4k videos from Netflix, how do you guys on here rate the Netflix 4K picture quality? Is the Dolby Vision and HDR impressive? I am also looking to purchase a few 4k blu rays such as planet Earth 2. I will also be watching Premier League soccer in 4k and hopefully by September the NFL and NBA will be in 4k also.

Btw, isn't up-scaling supposed to make normal 1080p content look slightly better on a 4k TV? Why would it look worse on 4k? I still watch normal TV such as documentaries/news in 1080p

Netflix 4K streaming looks really good on my setup. A strong internet connection helps! HDR is excellent on my OLED and is one of the best parts of the UHD spec. Dolby Vision also looks great.

I think you'll be very happy.

 

[rene2kx]

I intend on mainly streaming 4k videos from Netflix, how do you guys on here rate the Netflix 4K picture quality? Is the Dolby Vision and HDR impressive? I am also looking to purchase a few 4k blu rays such as planet Earth 2. I will also be watching Premier League soccer in 4k and hopefully by September the NFL and NBA will be in 4k also.

Btw, isn't up-scaling supposed to make normal 1080p content look slightly better on a 4k TV? Why would it look worse on 4k? I still watch normal TV such as documentaries/news in 1080p

You should have a 40 mbps connection or more if you want a good bitrate in streaming 4k and very little lag. HDR is impressive but not all netflix content is available in hdr. and you have to sign up for a more expensive service (higher charges per month) if you want hdr on netflix.

I did not find 1080p upscaling on my 4k tv look any better. I think 1080p content looked almost perfect on a 1080p plasma. And besides with lower resolution (

 

[urbanlegend179]

Thank you for all your replies guys, much-appreciated!

I am moving to a new apartment in August, so I think I'll hold off until then, and maybe the 2018 models will give me even more reason to jump ship. I'll move my VT60 to the bedroom

 

[video_analysis]

Not to nitpick but what you are stating above applies identically to plasma screens. They simply can't completely eliminate light emission on their pixels, but they do control it individually.

Too late on the nitpicking front. The phosphor glow can't be suppressed. Maybe I should've used "completely" controlled. Having owned both, it's a huge benefit in a light-controlled room.

 

[arenaman]

I've retired the VT65 after over 3 years service and bought the E7 about a month ago in a Black Friday deal, much as I loved the VT65 the OLED is far better, can't fault it so far.

 

[cockatiel]

I've retired the VT65 after over 3 years service and bought the E7 about a month ago in a Black Friday deal, much as I loved the VT65 the OLED is far better, can't fault it so far.

Even with 1080i/p content? (Cable & regular Blu-ray)

 

[arenaman]

Even with 1080i/p content? (Cable & regular Blu-ray)

Blu ray looks better, I only really tried The Dark Knight but it's a great movie to test a TV.

Main viewing is via Sky (HD and now Q) which is mainly HD with some UHD content and it's just all round better, blacks, whites, motion, just looks cleaner and crisper than the VT

 

[Culpepper]

You should have a 40 mbps connection or more if you want a good bitrate in streaming 4k and very little lag. HDR is impressive but not all netflix content is available in hdr. and you have to sign up for a more expensive service (higher charges per month) if you want hdr on netflix.

I did not find 1080p upscaling on my 4k tv look any better. I think 1080p content looked almost perfect on a 1080p plasma. And besides with lower resolution (

 

[Culpepper]

I replaced my Pioneer Kuro 500M with a 65B7P. The OLED looks great most of the time, but the plasma didn't have any obvious visible faults like the OLED does, like the near-black banding and black crush. Knowing what I know now, if I had a high performance plasma, I'd wait a few years for OLEDs to improve.

 

[Cal1981]

In a word, yes. I went from a 55VT60 to a 65C7 and have never looked back. Sure, some cable content (mostly 720P on Comcast now) might look better on a 1080P plasma set than any 4K set but that's about it. Blu-rays up-scale beautifully on the C7 and 4K UHDs are, mostly, on another level entirely. The OLED is brighter than my VT60 was and of course, owing to its inky blacks, has greater contrast levels. Movies retain the cinema-like appearance that I loved on the VT60 but takes it up a few notches. The black levels make the top and bottom mattes seen on movies shot in aspect ratios beyond 1.85:1 disappear. I keep my living room light dimmed down at night and the C7's frame just melds into the darkness. The only thing I could suggest is to wait until the 2108 models come out. The early reports by AVS staff indicate that there will be a number of improvements over the 2017s.

 

[urbanlegend179]

Sounds like a great TV for sure, how does it handle sports though? 90% of all I watch is sports to be honest. Especially soccer and American football