Using Coax for subwoofer wire?
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Actually, people who have a long run, 40+ feet, will often use coax. For one thing, it is shielded. You just need the little coax to RCA adaptor available at Radio Shack.
Originally Posted by Roshy  My prewire in my new house has a coax cable run that they said was for the subwoofer cable. I've never heard of this before, so wanted some advice on whether this is good enough, or should I try and run another cable? Thanks! |
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I use it for my "rough-in" pre-wire installs all the time. It works great. There are different types and sizes though (RG59 is also considered "coax"). I personally use Quad-shield RG6 with solid copper core. It's one of the more expensive coax cables available, but you can use it for just about anything.
How do you compare this wire with other brand names?
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
Is it ok to use with this with 3k subwoofers like paradigm sub 15? Is it quad shield?
Is output from receiver to subwoofer analog or digital if these devices allow to use this cable to connect?
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
Is it ok to use with this with 3k subwoofers like paradigm sub 15? Is it quad shield?
Is output from receiver to subwoofer analog or digital if these devices allow to use this cable to connect?
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Subwoofer cables and other RCA audio interconnects have no defined characteristic impedance. OTOH, 75ohm coax will work.
Any coax will do.
It is analog regardless of the cable used.
Subwoofer cables and other RCA audio interconnects have no defined characteristic impedance. OTOH, 75ohm coax will work.
Any coax will do.
It is analog regardless of the cable used.
That is not what I've read over the years. As I understand it -- it should be:
75 ohm for subwoofer interconnects (just like yellow video composite interconnects as well as digital "coax" digital connections)
50 ohm is standard for L/R (black and red interconnects)
Note that when you look up a "subwoofer" or digital coax cable on most any site they will specifically say 75ohm. If you look up an RCA cable on those same sites they will not specify an ohm rating. Though the two cables do work back or forth and I've tried it and can't tell a difference --- but to my knowledge they are supposed to be different resistance ratings - 75 for Subwoofers and digital connections, 50 ohm for L/R component to component interconnects.
Monoprice cables are really quite high quality. It does not matter the cost of your subs - the cables will more than suffice as will your coax...Coax is likely better shielded than some subwoofer cables -- I've read that many recommend using coax for long runs anyway.
You need a couple of these?
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
or these?
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
That is not what I've read over the years. As I understand it -- it should be:
75 ohm for subwoofer interconnects (just like yellow video composite interconnects as well as digital "coax" digital connections)
50 ohm is standard for L/R (black and red interconnects)
Note that when you look up a "subwoofer" or digital coax cable on most any site they will specifically say 75ohm. If you look up an RCA cable on those same sites they will not specify an ohm rating. Though the two cables do work back or forth and I've tried it and can't tell a difference --- but to my knowledge they are supposed to be different resistance ratings - 75 for Subwoofers and digital connections, 50 ohm for L/R component to component interconnects.
Monoprice cables are really quite high quality. It does not matter the cost of your subs - the cables will more than suffice as will your coax...Coax is likely better shielded than some subwoofer cables -- I've read that many recommend using coax for long runs anyway.
You need a couple of these?
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
or these?
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
Thanks for quick reply. I am trying to make sure I am exploiting full potential of high end subwoofer with 8 dollars cable. If I want to go for brand names, they are not even available in stores for 50 feet length. Moreover, price is is three digits.
It seems what you pay is what you get does not apply to any of the cables.
Thanks for quick reply. I am trying to make sure I am exploiting full potential of high end subwoofer with 8 dollars cable. If I want to go for brand names, they are not even available in stores for 50 feet length. Moreover, price is is three digits.
It seems what you pay is what you get does not apply to any of the cables.
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No analog RCA signal cables (be they full-range or sub-woofer) need to be labeled 75 Ohm. Digital cables are a different ball-game.
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There is so much nonsense in the cable business, it is not surprising. I would love for you to show me a technical reference for it. What people sell is what they can convince people to buy.
Most high quality RCA audio interconnects are coaxial in structure anyway, so using the term coax to distinguish RF cables from audio cables is not correct.
There is so much nonsense in the cable business, it is not surprising. I would love for you to show me a technical reference for it. What people sell is what they can convince people to buy.
Most high quality RCA audio interconnects are coaxial in structure anyway, so using the term coax to distinguish RF cables from audio cables is not correct.
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Probably. If it doesn't break. The Monoprice cables will do fine.
That is an indulgence.
Depends on what you think you are getting.
Probably. If it doesn't break. The Monoprice cables will do fine.
That is an indulgence.
Depends on what you think you are getting.
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True.
True.
subwoofer cable - all labeled 75ohm
http://www.monoprice.com/products/se...+cable&x=0&y=0
digital coax cable - all labeled 75ohm
http://www.monoprice.com/products/se...l+coax&x=0&y=0
RCA cable - none listed as 75ohm
http://www.monoprice.com/products/se...+cable&x=0&y=0
Other AV supply shops all mimic the above example from what I've seen over the years. If it's a myth is perpetuated lots of places...
I don't have a reference, if you have one I'll read it. I google searched it because I thought this was common knowledge, but a google search shows conflicting info --- :
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/foru...r-digital-coax
http://www.home theaterspot.com/showtopic.php?tid/104728/
in the second link you'll have to remove the space due to the filter here at avs.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/se...+cable&x=0&y=0
digital coax cable - all labeled 75ohm
http://www.monoprice.com/products/se...l+coax&x=0&y=0
RCA cable - none listed as 75ohm
http://www.monoprice.com/products/se...+cable&x=0&y=0
Other AV supply shops all mimic the above example from what I've seen over the years. If it's a myth is perpetuated lots of places...
I don't have a reference, if you have one I'll read it. I google searched it because I thought this was common knowledge, but a google search shows conflicting info --- :
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/foru...r-digital-coax
http://www.home theaterspot.com/showtopic.php?tid/104728/
in the second link you'll have to remove the space due to the filter here at avs.
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That's how it becomes a myth. If only source said so, it would merely be an error.
I do not have reference off-hand but my statements are based on basic electrical circuit knowledge. Devices that specify 75ohm impedance (or any other) do so because they provide a matched input/output impedance. So, your cable box or TV has a 75ohm input impedance for the RF source. Same for DACs and other digital devices with coax (S/PDIF) inputs.
The input impedance of typical subwoofers and analog amplifiers is in the 10k-200Kohm range. The source impedance for players, tuners, preamp, etc., that feed these analog devices is, typically, in the 100-1kohm range. The difference between a 75ohm cable and a 50ohm cable is inconsequential.
That's how it becomes a myth. If only source said so, it would merely be an error.
I do not have reference off-hand but my statements are based on basic electrical circuit knowledge. Devices that specify 75ohm impedance (or any other) do so because they provide a matched input/output impedance. So, your cable box or TV has a 75ohm input impedance for the RF source. Same for DACs and other digital devices with coax (S/PDIF) inputs.
The input impedance of typical subwoofers and analog amplifiers is in the 10k-200Kohm range. The source impedance for players, tuners, preamp, etc., that feed these analog devices is, typically, in the 100-1kohm range. The difference between a 75ohm cable and a 50ohm cable is inconsequential.
I have a multimeter handy...When I get home tonight I'll measure a Monster Cable subwoofer cable, a Monoprice subwoofer cable, and a couple pairs of random RCA type cables. I'll see if there's any difference in any of them. Maybe there isn't...I've never measured before. Now I'm curious...I do understand your point that if the source output and input aren't 50 or 75 ohm, then it doesn't matter what the cable is --- especially if the source or input have such vastly different resistance measurements.
snake oil abounds in this hobby...
snake oil abounds in this hobby...
If you look at the "subwoofer" cable, you'll see it's also marketed as a composite video and digital coaxial cable. My suspicion is that Monoprice decided it would be easiest to just label the same cable for all three (and it'll work for all three just fine.)
But you could also take half of one of their analog audio cables and use it as a sub cable, too.
If you look at the "subwoofer" cable, you'll see it's also marketed as a composite video and digital coaxial cable. My suspicion is that Monoprice decided it would be easiest to just label the same cable for all three (and it'll work for all three just fine.)
But you could also take half of one of their analog audio cables and use it as a sub cable, too.
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While we're on the subject of cables...
I've never cared to understand what the meaning of the arrows is on a cable. I just blindly plug it in in the direction of the arrows. Does it have something to do with the way it's wound, if it's not solid core? What difference does it really make?
Sorry to hijack, but it seemed sort of applicable, and this thread is already way off topic.
I've never cared to understand what the meaning of the arrows is on a cable. I just blindly plug it in in the direction of the arrows. Does it have something to do with the way it's wound, if it's not solid core? What difference does it really make?
Sorry to hijack, but it seemed sort of applicable, and this thread is already way off topic.
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