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ok, now that i've had the 2.5 release of DirecTivo for a day, I can compare a few aspects of Tivo versus UTV objectively.


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Tivo has more information displayed than UTV, screen doesn't feel nearly as cramped, and no useless ads on the left.


UTV's and Tivo's guide speed are the same, they both are slow. I can't believe I'm saying that http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif But Tivo's DirecTV guide is the same as UTVs. Tivo appears faster, but slowly fills in, UTV on the other hand, appears slower, but is filled in when it finally shows up. UTV is 3-5 seconds, Tivo is 3-5 seconds. Again, this is the DirecTV guide for each and is the time from the button press on the remote until the guide is completely filled in. Also, Tivo guide scrolling is slower than UTV, again because of the fill-in painting and more information displayed I suppose. Why they can't make them as fast as my stand-alone Sony DirecTV receiver I'll never know (averages around 1-2 seconds)


UTV has a nice PIP window while you are looking through the guide. Tivo covers the screen with the guide information, obscuring your view. I like the UTV approach better here.


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Tivo's menus come up faster than UTVs


UTVs menus do not block out the sound like Tivo. Many of UTV's menus have PIP, such as "My Shows", but some don't have PIP, like configuration/setup.


Compared on this one area, I like the UTV system better due to the fact I don't miss anything sound-wise behind what I'm looking for and I can see what is on the current channel in many cases.


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Fortunately/Unfortunately, I got the new UTV beta this morning, so I can't comment beyond these comparison points between the two. When UTV releases the upgrade to the public, I'll make a full comparison similar to what DrStrange did earlier.


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Paul, honest, curious question here (no trolling, in other words! http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif )


Why is it a big deal to be able to hear or partially see what's being shown on-screen when you're in the menus? Tivo does this in one spot (as you know)... when you're watching Live TV and bring up the Live TV guide... I can't stand it, and just got into the habit of pressing PAUSE before I bring it up. Now pre-PVR days, it would be cool. But when you never have to miss a second of whatever you're watching, why have it obscured or be distracted?


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Paul, honest, curious question here (no trolling, in other words! http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif )


Why is it a big deal to be able to hear or partially see what's being shown on-screen when you're in the menus? Tivo does this in one spot (as you know)... when you're watching Live TV and bring up the Live TV guide... I can't stand it, and just got into the habit of pressing PAUSE before I bring it up. Now pre-PVR days, it would be cool. But when you never have to miss a second of whatever you're watching, why have it obscured or be distracted?

Well, I guess it depends on your viewing habits. I watch a lot of live TV as well as recorded programs. Very rarely do I watch recorded programs and then bring the guide up, I usually and using the guide when I am either watching live TV, channel surfing so to speak, or looking to set something up to tape. In these circumstances, I don't want to pause and constantly have to catch up to something I'm not that interested in anyway, but like the continuity that sounds from the program make in my viewing. My wife is the same way, she hates if you pause while doing something else!


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Well, I guess it depends on your viewing habits. I watch a lot of live TV as well as recorded programs. Very rarely do I watch recorded programs and then bring the guide up, I usually and using the guide when I am either watching live TV, channel surfing so to speak, or looking to set something up to tape. In these circumstances, I don't want to pause and constantly have to catch up to something I'm not that interested in anyway, but like the continuity that sounds from the program make in my viewing. My wife is the same way, she hates if you pause while doing something else!


Does that explain it / feed the troll (joke!) http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
Consider me full for now! http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


BTW, I don't know if you're aware of the remote shortcuts for 2.5 (TiVo button + 1 = Season Pass Manager, for instance). Mostly the same as before when you previously had a Tivo. Saves a few button presses, allowing you to get back to watching stuff a little sooner!


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pjenkins,


What is the UTV beta that you mentioned? How where you able to obtain it? Also, what new features does the beta introduce?


Also, I heard of Microsoft releasing a software update that should speed up the menus for UTV. I wonder if this is even possible?


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pjenkins,


What is the UTV beta that you mentioned? How where you able to obtain it? Also, what new features does the beta introduce?



He signed up for the beta forum a few months back. something like www.webtv.com/preview (only accessable through the UTV). He won't be allowed to tell us what is in the beta, he is under NDA for the time being.

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Also, I heard of Microsoft releasing a software update that should speed up the menus for UTV. I wonder if this is even possible?
This might just be that release.

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I'm not sure if they are accepting new beta people, I'll ask in the newsgroup for a link if you want.


I can't say anything about the new features coming down because of the NDA, but you will not be disappointed http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


Now that I have a DirecTivo as well as a UTV, I can start on a DrStrange level comparison too http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif


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The UTV guide only shows 6 channels at a time, but it shows a PIP view of the current channel above, which takes up space. I would like a UTV guide option that lets me eliminate the PIP section and increases the number of chaannels shown.
 

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So it's more substantial than the last update?
we aren't supposed to discuss beta details at all, I've already been *warned* so to speak, in a nice way, that the NDA is very strict, and I don't want to be removed for saying anything inappropriate, they(UTV) do monitor our posts here and other places.


I'll just have to limit my comments to http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


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So it's more substantial than the last update?
I would assume that almost every important feature of Replay, TiVo, etc. will be copied by UTV eventually.
 

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Isn't that (copying or buying a smaller company for its software) the Microsoft way?

embrace and extend. Microsoft has been doing that very well through the years. And if most other companies are smart, they should do the same. It makes no sense to just copy outright your competitor, you have to copy their good things and make them work a bit better and then add features they don't have. I think(hope) UTV will do this.




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I would assume that almost every important feature of Replay, TiVo, etc. will be copied by UTV eventually.
Isn't that (copying or buying a smaller company for its software) the Microsoft way?


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