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Has anyone upgraded to Vegas Pro 13 yet? Sony is offering special deals on Vegas packages, but I'm waiting for reviews on stability and the added value of new features before I bite.
 

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Stability seems pretty good to me on V12. I've been working on my Panama Canal Video for the past week and it has yet to crash. I did rehoot the computer a couple days ago when the Windows security update forced me to. I also added the PCIe storage, replacing the SSD work drive. This thing does not bottleneck and my renderings get done about 40% faster. Anyway, I will probably buy the upgrade next week.


I was also thinking of testing Edius. I see they have the competitive upgrade. To do 3D do I need the suite version of the basic Edius Pro? I know nothing about the product other than what you have posted here. Need to read up on it I suppose.
 

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I have Vegas Pro 12 now, but just about the only thing I use it for is creating Blu-ray 3D discs. I probably don't need to upgrade. As for Edius, the basic Pro 7 version will tell you if it might be worth adding to your tool belt. Seriously, I doubt it, but I would be curious what you think of its preview speed. Of course, that's apples to oranges, since I use an nVidia card and you use the AMD.
 

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Joe- I looked at the Specs of Edius Pro and the key features list show it will export timeline to Blu Ray Disk. So why do you need Vegas Pro for that output if Edius supports it?


I looked up the prices and it seems the Academic version is $149. I'd have to get my daughter to buy it since she is a school teacher.
 

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Joe- I looked at the Specs of Edius Pro and the key features list show it will export timeline to Blu Ray Disk. So why do you need Vegas Pro for that output if Edius supports it?


I looked up the prices and it seems the Academic version is $149. I'd have to get my daughter to buy it since she is a school teacher.

It exports to Blu-ray, but not Blu-ray 3D. It's a 2D-only feature, so bottom line you end up in Vegas at the final stage anyway. Of course, that IS a great price - lower even than the Grass Valley cross-grade pricing. Far be it from me to discourage anyone from exploring other editing options. I certainly have. But, your history in the Sony ecosystem makes me think you won't get that attached to Edius. You know how NLEs are: everything little thing you do is just different enough to cause you grief. Where's that icon? What's that keyboard shortcut? How do I get out of this mode and into another? It's enough to make you weep.
 

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It's enough to make you weep.
Yes, that is true but what bothers me more about learning a new NLE is thinking I can do something, struggling for hours to find out that feature isn't supported yet. I'm thankful that you and Wolfgang are there to keep me informed on these other systems. That way I can know what I am missing without spending the money.



As for Vegas 13, I don't really see much advantage in it for what I am currently doing but the cost is minimal. I want to stay current just for the bug fixes and updates.
 

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That is right. Especially for s3D there is not much new in Vegas Pro 13. Howevere, there may be some of us who think about to migrate to 4K-s3D. There one would have an advantage with Vegas Pro 13, given the better support for 4K. But most of us may tend to wait for 4K I think.


But the upgrade price is minor, especially within the promotion period. Sure, that is what will make it more interessting.
 

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Wolfgang gets the scoop before any of the rest of us.



If I upgrade to Vegas 13 now, it will be on my everyday system, not my main editing PC. My main rig is humming along nicely, and I've made some serious progress the last few weeks on that massive, never-ending Botanical Garden project. I don't want to install anything else on that PC for now. I render a section of high quality, high bitrate 60i 3D video from Edius, then let Vegas convert it to Blu-ray 3D at 1080/24p. Vegas 12 does that VERY well.
 

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Well, that advantage to purchase Vegas Pro 13 within the promotion period of SCS is that it will be cheaper. Sure, at the moment Vegas Pro 12 does a very good job. But the further development will take place with Vegas Pro 13. So in the medium and long run it is clever to purchase the upgrade now.
 
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Just did the upgrade since I just completed my Panama Canal video. Got started with V13 and had no issues all day. Ran smoothly. Need to get used to a few changes in where buttons are located but other than that it seems to be pretty stable. There was one bug I had in V12 that appears fixed in V13 which is nice. V12 would always open up the crop / mask window and the effects list when I clicked on the effects list in the clip.


I haven't looked at DVD Architecture yet. I wonder what's so different they call it v6.0 as opposed to 5.3? I really have no need for DVD Architecture anymore. Wake me up when it does 3D menus and DTS audio like Power Director.



Hopefully someone will order in New Blue Titler and report on it. I didn't order that since the last time I paid for it it kept crashing Vegas. Hopefully that is fixed.
 

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Today I did my very first Vegas project. Rendering toward a 1080 50i Blu Ray .iso went very smooth. Unfortunatly, this Blu Ray .iso is not recognised as being 3D content by my Iconbit media player, where it did recognise the 1080 24p 3D Blu Ray coming out of Sony Movie Studio. So, next try is getting Vegas to create a 24p Blu Ray. Now the process of rendering to 1080 24p Blu Ray iso looks less smooth then the rendering toward the 1080 50i Blu Ray: the progress indicator sticks at 69%, the frame counter at 11.804. Only 25% process activity indicated in my taskmanager. Anyone else that had this problem? I'm thinking to let it go for an hour or so just as long as it shows "Active" in the taskbar. Hoping it is just a screen hanging... Figured out temporary rendering files are kept in C:\Users\Jeroen\AppData\Local\Sony\Vegas Pro\13.0\~BdMux0081fd73\media. Refreshing this screen from time to time should give me an indication whether the program is really doing something or not. ... and it is not :-((  

 

Temporary file size does not change. OK, let's cancel this rendering and see if Sony Movie Studio can come in handy. Will be a two step after all then..,

 

At Joe: Guitarman512 gave me the tip to create Blu Ray .iso in Sony Movie Studio. Would that not have been a cheaper option for you since you don't do editing in Vegas? When this attempt crashes, I'll try and render the Vegas Project and pul it through Sony Movie Studio to see if that can get my edited file on to a 1080 24p 3D Blu Ray....
 

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Today I did my very first Vegas project. Rendering toward a 1080 50i Blu Ray .iso went very smooth. Unfortunatly, this Blu Ray .iso is not recognised as being 3D content by my Iconbit media player, where it did recognise the 1080 24p 3D Blu Ray coming out of Sony Movie Studio. So, next try is getting Vegas to create a 24p Blu Ray. Now the process of rendering to 1080 24p Blu Ray iso looks less smooth then the rendering toward the 1080 50i Blu Ray: the progress indicator sticks at 69%, the frame counter at 11.804. Only 25% process activity indicated in my taskmanager. Anyone else that had this problem? I'm thinking to let it go for an hour or so just as long as it shows "Active" in the taskbar. Hoping it is just a screen hanging... Figured out temporary rendering files are kept in C:\Users\Jeroen\AppData\Local\Sony\Vegas Pro\13.0\~BdMux0081fd73\media. Refreshing this screen from time to time should give me an indication whether the program is really doing something or not. ... and it is not :-((  


Temporary file size does not change. OK, let's cancel this rendering and see if Sony Movie Studio can come in handy. Will be a two step after all then..,


At Joe: Guitarman512 gave me the tip to create Blu Ray .iso in Sony Movie Studio. Would that not have been a cheaper option for you since you don't do editing in Vegas? When this attempt crashes, I'll try and render the Vegas Project and pul it through Sony Movie Studio to see if that can get my edited file on to a 1080 24p 3D Blu Ray....

I've had MS12 freeze up trying to render Blu-ray. MS13 has just had an update and that seems better - I also followed Don's advice and disconnect from the Internet and close my virus checker while rendering. Also if your videos have a lot of movement - even people walking about, you are better rendering to 720 50p. SSSSlolowww pans and zooms are required for 24p ;0/


Also in Movie studio and power director I've had freezing rendering the timeline if it gets to a clip it does'nt like!!! Just trim a second or so off and it should be ok. If you cant see the offending clip use a calculator to find the most likely offender.
 

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Ohh Yeah!! the perils of converting 1080 50i to 24p - the main reason most of the forum guys have now got Panasonic Z1000 cameras. A bit big for me though. Wolfgang published a method a while back that involved slowing down the footage by 4% it looks quite involved and I'm not to sure of all the steps but I'm sure it gives very good results. I will say that for watching on my 55" Toshiba passive 1080 50i rendered to Half SBS looks great - very smooth. Just not very sharp on my 120" screen though ;0/
 

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A problem I had in the past was the temp files, especially when building the *.iso image final compilation. This became a real problem when the default was the C drive and I switched to a smaller SSD C drive. The freeze up was due to running out of C drive capacity for the temp files and any paging that was needed. I have now been using a separate drive for all my temp files and this speeds up rendering as well. The only thing being accessed on my C drive is Vegas and the windows OS. The temp stuff all goes to a dedicated SSD. The source project and video are all on a PCIe storage. And I save out the final iso file to a dedicated HDD. Separating these files to different drives eliminates the waiting for seeking, reading and writing. last, one final trick in increasing speed is to use different storage controllers for these drives as well. It is amazing how much time can be saved in rendering by isolating each operation to different drives and controllers.
 
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I decided to give "EndItAll2" a go and stop all unwanted/desired/useless-and-so-on processes on my desktop. On top of that, I cleared the other temporary files. Guess what? It worked! Will check the .iso shortly on my 110" screen.

 

Back with an update shortly! And Don: thanks for your Vegas tips in the TD20 thread! It so happenes my son knows quite a lot and gave my some nice demos. On the other hand, I could teach him to what format he had to render his 2D content ;-) We will both carry our laptops on our up coming USA holiday and agreed with the girls we can get 1 hour and a half editing time each night. This way we don't have a massive amount of footage to edit once we are back at home. And my son can help me out when I can't figure out what to do how ;-)
 

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Your son should upgrade his Vegas so you two are on the same playing level. There have been several major changes from v11 to v13.


The most I do when traveling is to do a quick screen of the clips to make sure I'm getting what I need and then the rest of the evening is spent moving the clips to a hard drive to make room in the camcorder's memory for the next day.


Also, unless things have changed you can put a second install of Vegas on your laptop for the same license key. No need to buy another copy.
 

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Thanks for that tip Don! Just came out of my man cave to see if the 24p setting gave me 3D play back. OK, that did not work either. Just saw in my properties of the project it was not set to 3D.. Hm, I thought it did this automatically when I dragged in the first clip, but, apparently, it didn't. Now, what 3D setting would I need? I don't want SBS, anaglyph so, my guess would be either "blend" or "difference". Setting the properties of the project to 3D will very likely dramatically enhance my changes in getting a 3D Blu Ray. Until I read a reply on what to set, I put my money on "difference" for the reason I believe that this is how my cam records 3D stream, recording the difference between left and right... Next guess, "pixel format".... 8 bit seems low. So 32 bit floating point, but .. there's two of those.. Video levels or full range. Betting on video levels for now...
 

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Today I did my very first Vegas project. Rendering toward a 1080 50i Blu Ray .iso went very smooth. Unfortunatly, this Blu Ray .iso is not recognised as being 3D content by my Iconbit media player, where it did recognise the 1080 24p 3D Blu Ray coming out of Sony Movie Studio. So, next try is getting Vegas to create a 24p Blu Ray. Now the process of rendering to 1080 24p Blu Ray iso looks less smooth then the rendering toward the 1080 50i Blu Ray: the progress indicator sticks at 69%, the frame counter at 11.804. Only 25% process activity indicated in my taskmanager. Anyone else that had this problem? I'm thinking to let it go for an hour or so just as long as it shows "Active" in the taskbar. Hoping it is just a screen hanging... Figured out temporary rendering files are kept in C:\Users\Jeroen\AppData\Local\Sony\Vegas Pro\13.0\~BdMux0081fd73\media. Refreshing this screen from time to time should give me an indication whether the program is really doing something or not. ... and it is not :-((  


Temporary file size does not change. OK, let's cancel this rendering and see if Sony Movie Studio can come in handy. Will be a two step after all then..,


At Joe: Guitarman512 gave me the tip to create Blu Ray .iso in Sony Movie Studio. Would that not have been a cheaper option for you since you don't do editing in Vegas? When this attempt crashes, I'll try and render the Vegas Project and pul it through Sony Movie Studio to see if that can get my edited file on to a 1080 24p 3D Blu Ray....

Movie Studio would be cheaper, but I prefer staying with Vegas Pro. There might be just enough difference to make me regret it.
 

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It doesn't matter what setting you use in Properties as long as you have it set to some value of 3D. the alternative is 3D OFF and you certainly can't get 3D if you have it off.
It could be anaglyph or line alternate or SBS. That setting will fix the timeline to 3D, BEFORE you drag your clips to it. It has nothing to do with the render output. But you have to set it to 3D mode for the timeline to support 3D clips. If you don't some clips will show up in a SBS look and others that are frame packed will show up as two video clips on two tracks. You don't want either of these as they are 2D representations of your 3D video.


Set your Properties to a 3D mode and THEN drag the 3D clips to the timeline. When you get ready to render, you will determine the rendered output there.
 

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I was confused by that when I started using Vegas. It seemed like setting a 3D mode in properties should just determine the type of 3D display you'd get. It did, but more importantly it turned on 3D editing mode.
 
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