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Vertical Stretch and HE
Hi
I thought I saw a list of projectors that were capable of Vertical Stretch, however I cannot find it. Tried to do a search too.
Do you know of a list of projectors capable of vertical stretching to accomodate an HE Anamorphic lens?
Thanks,
Dave
I thought I saw a list of projectors that were capable of Vertical Stretch, however I cannot find it. Tried to do a search too.
Do you know of a list of projectors capable of vertical stretching to accomodate an HE Anamorphic lens?
Thanks,
Dave
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Thanks Jeff, I appreciate it.
I assume on that list that the LS is what I am looking for for Vertical Stretch?
Dave
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Originally Posted by astroboy /forum/post/0
try this:
http://www.panamorph.com/Compatibility.html
Jeff
Thanks Jeff, I appreciate it.
I assume on that list that the LS is what I am looking for for Vertical Stretch?
Dave
i believe the LS = lens shift! wich means you can move about your image if not positioned spot on.
The list shows the ones capable of vertical stretch, and notes wich mode has to be used to do so.
example, on my hd70, i need to press *LTBX* mode and slide in the u380 lens to get the cih.
thats how i understand it, anyone correct me if im wrong please? as im looking into a lens as well.
The list shows the ones capable of vertical stretch, and notes wich mode has to be used to do so.
example, on my hd70, i need to press *LTBX* mode and slide in the u380 lens to get the cih.
thats how i understand it, anyone correct me if im wrong please? as im looking into a lens as well.
Ok Thanks, so if I were looking at the Sharp XV-Z12000, It states YES (1.8-2.5 TR), includes LS YES, "Cinema Zoom" (540p and under only)
So this is not good right, because I am reading it wont be able to do 720P or any HD/Blue ray?
Dave
Quote:
Originally Posted by MAZMAN808 /forum/post/0
i believe the LS = lens shift! wich means you can move about your image if not positioned spot on.
The list shows the ones capable of vertical stretch, and notes wich mode has to be used to do so.
example, on my hd70, i need to press *LTBX* mode and slide in the u380 lens to get the cih.
thats how i understand it, anyone correct me if im wrong please? as im looking into a lens as well.
Ok Thanks, so if I were looking at the Sharp XV-Z12000, It states YES (1.8-2.5 TR), includes LS YES, "Cinema Zoom" (540p and under only)
So this is not good right, because I am reading it wont be able to do 720P or any HD/Blue ray?
Dave
If it has the same basic level of scaling control as the earlier Z10000, then you will need a scaler for HD formats like HD DVD or BD....
Mark
Quote:
Originally Posted by Studio2000 /forum/post/0
Ok Thanks, so if I were looking at the Sharp XV-Z12000, It states YES (1.8-2.5 TR), includes LS YES, "Cinema Zoom" (540p and under only)
So this is not good right, because I am reading it wont be able to do 720P or any HD/Blue ray?
Dave
If it has the same basic level of scaling control as the earlier Z10000, then you will need a scaler for HD formats like HD DVD or BD....
Mark
Thanks Mark,
Not what I wanted to hear, but very helpful indeed. Mmm... I was looking at that Sharp. Guess I will have to wait for other options.
If I were to just do SD in 2:35 constant height would I be able to do this with this Sharp model?
Dave
Quote:
Originally Posted by CAVX /forum/post/0
If it has the same basic level of scaling control as the earlier Z10000, then you will need a scaler for HD formats like HD DVD or BD....
Mark
Thanks Mark,
Not what I wanted to hear, but very helpful indeed. Mmm... I was looking at that Sharp. Guess I will have to wait for other options.
If I were to just do SD in 2:35 constant height would I be able to do this with this Sharp model?
Dave
Yes, including (or so I am told) using the HD formats in SD (outputting at 480) mode...
Mark
Quote:
Originally Posted by Studio2000 /forum/post/0
If I were to just do SD in 2:35 constant height would I be able to do this with this Sharp model?
Yes, including (or so I am told) using the HD formats in SD (outputting at 480) mode...
Mark
I just went and tried this on my Sharp XV-Z12000 MKII with a Panamorph U15 lens and yeah, sure enough it works perfectly. "Lord of the Rings" on SD-DVD looks incredible. Rather "HD-like." (I also have an HD-DVD player hooked hooked up to this projector).
Not only does it do this, but it does the pillarbox mode you'd need if you wanted to always leave your anamorphic lens in place. Nice!
Why, oh why, does it not do this with and HD inputs??? Argh, that is even more frustrating now. On a projector marketed at the Sharp's original price...that really stinks given that it's a $1000+ add-on feature (outboard scaler) just to get it to do this for HD-DVD.
I was happier before I went and tried this experiment and realized how close (yet how far) this projector is to doing exactly what I want it to do. Grr!
Anyway, if SD is all you need, you'll be very happy.
Quote:
If I were to just do SD in 2:35 constant height would I be able to do this with this Sharp model?
I just went and tried this on my Sharp XV-Z12000 MKII with a Panamorph U15 lens and yeah, sure enough it works perfectly. "Lord of the Rings" on SD-DVD looks incredible. Rather "HD-like." (I also have an HD-DVD player hooked hooked up to this projector).
Not only does it do this, but it does the pillarbox mode you'd need if you wanted to always leave your anamorphic lens in place. Nice!
Why, oh why, does it not do this with and HD inputs??? Argh, that is even more frustrating now. On a projector marketed at the Sharp's original price...that really stinks given that it's a $1000+ add-on feature (outboard scaler) just to get it to do this for HD-DVD.
I was happier before I went and tried this experiment and realized how close (yet how far) this projector is to doing exactly what I want it to do. Grr!
Anyway, if SD is all you need, you'll be very happy.
Thanks Samurai Jack and forum members
Samurai Jack, I havent even purchased the Sharp. heard excellent things about it, but as you can see I am kinda sitting on the fence, as I also want that HD 2:35 constant height going and I dont know if I should invest in a scaler, or wait for new projectors to hit. This would be my first purchase, but it needs to be the right purchase, as I will not allow to replace this within at least 5 years.
Dave
Quote:
Originally Posted by Samurai Jack /forum/post/0
I just went and tried this on my Sharp XV-Z12000 MKII with a Panamorph U15 lens and yeah, sure enough it works perfectly. "Lord of the Rings" on SD-DVD looks incredible. Rather "HD-like." (I also have an HD-DVD player hooked hooked up to this projector).
Not only does it do this, but it does the pillarbox mode you'd need if you wanted to always leave your anamorphic lens in place. Nice!
Why, oh why, does it not do this with and HD inputs??? Argh, that is even more frustrating now. On a projector marketed at the Sharp's original price...that really stinks given that it's a $1000+ add-on feature (outboard scaler) just to get it to do this for HD-DVD.
I was happier before I went and tried this experiment and realized how close (yet how far) this projector is to doing exactly what I want it to do. Grr!
Anyway, if SD is all you need, you'll be very happy.
Thanks Samurai Jack and forum members
Samurai Jack, I havent even purchased the Sharp. heard excellent things about it, but as you can see I am kinda sitting on the fence, as I also want that HD 2:35 constant height going and I dont know if I should invest in a scaler, or wait for new projectors to hit. This would be my first purchase, but it needs to be the right purchase, as I will not allow to replace this within at least 5 years.
Dave
If you're not replacing for 5 years...hmm...I'd lean toward waiting for the next round of 1080 projectors. I know, I know...you can always be waiting...but 1080 source (HD-DVD) and 1080 display will get to a plateau of relative maturity pretty soon I think. 720 has always been a stepping stone to this eventuality...and when it gets there...scaling won't be an issue (except possibly still for 2.35 CIH).
That said, the Sharp does seem to be one heck of a bargain if you can use it in your setup. Note that the Sharp is very setup dependent. If you want all the contrast it can provide, it pretty much requires a High Power screen (unless you shoot a 90"-ish screen, but given other issues and your seating and room, that can be kind of hard to set up with this long-throw projector that has no vertical offset for ceiling mounting). It's also big/heavy, and it's kinda loud in comparison to the state-of-the art. It needs a totally light controlled room to shine. If you can set it up right and live with certain things...yeah, really nice picture. But it's not for everyone, and may not make the best first projector unless you're somebody who quite likes to tinker, like me.
Also, I'm not yet sure the Sharp is really bright enough in high-contrast mode to give you the end-all-be-all when doing Horizontal Expansion (I'm still doing Vertical Compression, different animal entirely for brightness). You might wind up having to open the iris or crank up the bulb to get enough light to fill that 2.35 area if it's pretty big...and then you're giving up the contrast that is what you'd buy this unit for in the first place. And we're talking about a lamp rated for only 2000 hours (and lamps dim as they age over their lifespan). Stops being a value past some point, depending on your usage. You'd be blown away by the Sharp and happy at first...but I get the sense you might later run into limiting factors you'd be less than completely satisfied with while chasing after the CIH grail.
That said, the Sharp does seem to be one heck of a bargain if you can use it in your setup. Note that the Sharp is very setup dependent. If you want all the contrast it can provide, it pretty much requires a High Power screen (unless you shoot a 90"-ish screen, but given other issues and your seating and room, that can be kind of hard to set up with this long-throw projector that has no vertical offset for ceiling mounting). It's also big/heavy, and it's kinda loud in comparison to the state-of-the art. It needs a totally light controlled room to shine. If you can set it up right and live with certain things...yeah, really nice picture. But it's not for everyone, and may not make the best first projector unless you're somebody who quite likes to tinker, like me.
Also, I'm not yet sure the Sharp is really bright enough in high-contrast mode to give you the end-all-be-all when doing Horizontal Expansion (I'm still doing Vertical Compression, different animal entirely for brightness). You might wind up having to open the iris or crank up the bulb to get enough light to fill that 2.35 area if it's pretty big...and then you're giving up the contrast that is what you'd buy this unit for in the first place. And we're talking about a lamp rated for only 2000 hours (and lamps dim as they age over their lifespan). Stops being a value past some point, depending on your usage. You'd be blown away by the Sharp and happy at first...but I get the sense you might later run into limiting factors you'd be less than completely satisfied with while chasing after the CIH grail.
WOW - What a great post. you really hit the nail with my thoughts at this time. Relaly appreciate your feedback. I think I will hold off at this time, however that Sharp if I were to choose one today, would be it.
Thanks
Dave
Quote:
Originally Posted by Samurai Jack /forum/post/0
If you're not replacing for 5 years...hmm...I'd lean toward waiting for the next round of 1080 projectors. I know, I know...you can always be waiting...but 1080 source (HD-DVD) and 1080 display will get to a plateau of relative maturity pretty soon I think. 720 has always been a stepping stone to this eventuality...and when it gets there...scaling won't be an issue (except possibly still for 2.35 CIH).
That said, the Sharp does seem to be one heck of a bargain if you can use it in your setup. Note that the Sharp is very setup dependent. If you want all the contrast it can provide, it pretty much requires a High Power screen (unless you shoot a 90"-ish screen, but given other issues and your seating and room, that can be kind of hard to set up with this long-throw projector that has no vertical offset for ceiling mounting). It's also big/heavy, and it's kinda loud in comparison to the state-of-the art. It needs a totally light controlled room to shine. If you can set it up right and live with certain things...yeah, really nice picture. But it's not for everyone, and may not make the best first projector unless you're somebody who quite likes to tinker, like me.
Also, I'm not yet sure the Sharp is really bright enough in high-contrast mode to give you the end-all-be-all when doing Horizontal Expansion (I'm still doing Vertical Compression, different animal entirely for brightness). You might wind up having to open the iris or crank up the bulb to get enough light to fill that 2.35 area if it's pretty big...and then you're giving up the contrast that is what you'd buy this unit for in the first place. And we're talking about a lamp rated for only 2000 hours (and lamps dim as they age over their lifespan). Stops being a value past some point, depending on your usage. You'd be blown away by the Sharp and happy at first...but I get the sense you might later run into limiting factors you'd be less than completely satisfied with while chasing after the CIH grail.
WOW - What a great post. you really hit the nail with my thoughts at this time. Relaly appreciate your feedback. I think I will hold off at this time, however that Sharp if I were to choose one today, would be it.
Thanks
Dave
Yeah, The Sharp is the one to go for if you're buying right now and looking for something to do "critical viewing" in a dedicated room. I kind of even take back what I said about brightness with CIH after trying some preliminary CIH tests last night. I got the projector to do the vertical stretch (SD-DVD), then used vertical compression (VC lens), then zoomed out (projector lens) to get a 2.35 image that approximates the Horizontal Expansion image I'd expect.
Keeping the image height to around 45"-47" and using a High Power Screen...it seemed very doable. In fact, I'm thinking seriously about how to make it work this way myself. I've kind of decided that vertical compression likely doesn't improve the picture enough on this PJ to bother...the flip side of which is that when scaling and using the lens, the picture isn't degraded when zooming up 1.33...so a stretched and horizontally expanded 2.35 image ought to look as good as an uncorrected 16:9 image. Which means constant image hieght...with constant picture quality. Bingo!
Still, everthing I said is, I think, still good advice. If you can wait and if you can't upgrade for a long while after the purchase...things are about to level out at the 1080 standard, and I'd hold off just a bit.
Glad I could help. Sorry the answer means more waiting! Never fun, that...but what eventually you wind up with ought to be close to ideal. If you must jump in now, you might like the Sharp...but it's kind of a love of labor.
Keeping the image height to around 45"-47" and using a High Power Screen...it seemed very doable. In fact, I'm thinking seriously about how to make it work this way myself. I've kind of decided that vertical compression likely doesn't improve the picture enough on this PJ to bother...the flip side of which is that when scaling and using the lens, the picture isn't degraded when zooming up 1.33...so a stretched and horizontally expanded 2.35 image ought to look as good as an uncorrected 16:9 image. Which means constant image hieght...with constant picture quality. Bingo!
Still, everthing I said is, I think, still good advice. If you can wait and if you can't upgrade for a long while after the purchase...things are about to level out at the 1080 standard, and I'd hold off just a bit.
Glad I could help. Sorry the answer means more waiting! Never fun, that...but what eventually you wind up with ought to be close to ideal. If you must jump in now, you might like the Sharp...but it's kind of a love of labor.
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