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Very very dumb question about screen gain

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What is better, higher gain # or lower? I will be watching directly from center, not off to the side. I am more concerned with the best picture quality looking straight at the center of the screen.


This place needs a "screens for dummies" board for me. :)
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Check out: http://www.projectorcentral.com/home...er_screens.htm


It was very helpful to me.
Julia,

It has one. Tryg did a comprehensive screen article http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=240074


Ericglo
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Check out: http://www.projectorcentral.com/home...er_screens.htm


It was very helpful to me.
Thanks. So, assuming I will be watching from the center, I should try to get as high gain as possible? Do I have that right, in a nutsell?
Julia,


There are various shapes, sizes, colors, textures and flavors of nutshells. Do you care of peanuts or cashews?


Re Picture Quality, that really depends on your Source (HD TV/DVD Player), Cabling, and Projector. Not to mention room dynamics. You need to determine what your taste is. You can read Tryg's exhaustive details on various screen types, read various opinions on types of screens people like and why, and most importantly -- jump in your car and drive to various retailers and Home Theatre specialists offices (check out their display rooms) and see for yourself.


If you can describe in greater detail what you like and dislike, more people can give you nuggets of guidance.;)
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Thanks. So, assuming I will be watching from the center, I should try to get as high gain as possible? Do I have that right, in a nutsell?
If you can put the projector fairly low, like a little overhead (ideally 6' off the floor or lower) on a stand, shelf, etc. or on a table in front then the Da-Lite High Power is pretty good for people who pretty much just care about the center seat. The problem with going with high gain with normal screens is that even if you are sitting centered on the screen the gain will be higher looking at the center of the screen than towards the sides. The most extreme case of a high gain screen would be a mirror. If you consider a mirror in the place of a screen with the projector on the ceiling you will see super high gain to the one spot that reflects from the projector right to you, but almost no gain from other parts of the mirror.


The High Power is special because it is retro-reflective, where most screens are angular-reflective or neutral. Angular-reflective is like a mirror. You shine a flashlight on it and it reflects off at an angle away from that. Retro-reflects reflects largely back toward the source of the light, much like highway signs that light up bright for the driver when their headlights hit them. Retro-reflective would have the highest gain back at the flashlight if you were to shine one on them.


Anyway, what I think this comes down to is that you should tell us where the projector can/will go. If the placement is right the High Power might just be the best screen. Have you picked out a projector? Do you want a fixed screen or a pull-down screen?


--Darin
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Julia,


There are various shapes, sizes, colors, textures and flavors of nutshells. Do you care of peanuts or cashews?


Re Picture Quality, that really depends on your Source (HD TV/DVD Player), Cabling, and Projector. Not to mention room dynamics. You need to determine what your taste is. You can read Tryg's exhaustive details on various screen types, read various opinions on types of screens people like and why, and most importantly -- jump in your car and drive to various retailers and Home Theatre specialists offices (check out their display rooms) and see for yourself.


If you can describe in greater detail what you like and dislike, more people can give you nuggets of guidance.;)
Simply put, I want to watch The Wizard of Oz and be in complete awe of the brightness and vivid colors. No X Box or Computer games for me, no business presentations or any of that. Just great quality for DVD watching. And since my sofa is right smack in the middle of the screen area, viewing angles is not an issue. Does that help at all?
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What is better, higher gain # or lower? I will be watching directly from center, not off to the side. I am more concerned with the best picture quality looking straight at the center of the screen.
Generally, higher is better - but there are usually tradeoffs -


If I remember correctly from other threads, you're planning on putting the PJ at about 5 feet high -


That would probably be as good a location as you could possibly get for a Dal-lite High Power which is a favorite of a number of the posters here -


It's main disadvantages are the the PJ needs to be as close to center as possible (maybe more accurate to say the same as viewing angle) and that it has a relatively narrow cone of viewing angle - both of which will not be disadvantages in your case -


_with all other things being equal_ I think most posters would go for higher gain if they're not having to give up very much to get the higher gain. What that higher gain gives you is commonly referred to here as "punch" -


The high power is even a favorite of several of the posters who have high lumens projectors - JHouse and JimmyR come immediately to mind.


I probably would have ordered a high power, but I use a ceiling mounted projector -


The High Power material costs a little more than some of the other dalite materials. However, given the specs of center seating and centered PJ it's almost a no brainer, IMHO _grin_ Unless of course you want to go to a Silver Star which will be quite a bit more expensive.


I suggest that you will get the best price in additional to best guidance from Jason Turk or Daniel Hudnieck (sp?) here at AVS -


regards


Ken L
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Generally, higher is better - but there are usually tradeoffs -


If I remember correctly from other threads, you're planning on putting the PJ at about 5 feet high -


That would probably be as good a location as you could possibly get for a Dal-lite High Power which is a favorite of a number of the posters here -


It's main disadvantages are the the PJ needs to be as close to center as possible (maybe more accurate to say the same as viewing angle) and that it has a relatively narrow cone of viewing angle - both of which will not be disadvantages in your case -


_with all other things being equal_ I think most posters would go for higher gain if they're not having to give up very much to get the higher gain. What that higher gain gives you is commonly referred to here as "punch" -


The high power is even a favorite of several of the posters who have high lumens projectors - JHouse and JimmyR come immediately to mind.


I probably would have ordered a high power, but I use a ceiling mounted projector -


The High Power material costs a little more than some of the other dalite materials. However, given the specs of center seating and centered PJ it's almost a no brainer, IMHO _grin_ Unless of course you want to go to a Silver Star which will be quite a bit more expensive.


I suggest that you will get the best price in additional to best guidance from Jason Turk or Daniel Hudnieck (sp?) here at AVS -


regards


Ken L
Ken you've been very helpful. This poses an interesting dilemma. The H31 (the projector I am most interested in) has a very high throw angle compared to most projectors. So assuming I can't get the two lens shift settings to work out, it doesn't appear a screen with a high gain would be a good match for a projector that has a high throw angle.


I guess one option would be to tilt my screen to be the same angle as the projector. Or simply find a ceiling mount that can adjust the projector angle.
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Ken you've been very helpful
Although I've used projectors before, I just went thru all of this for HT several months ago - so it's fresh in my mind _big grin_

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I guess one option would be to tilt my screen to be the same angle as the projector
This would be one of my last choices _big grin_ and still has the viewing angle different than the angle of projection - although somewhat improved, the screen will not be at the proper angle to the viewer

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simply find a ceiling mount that can adjust the projector angle.
Ceiling mounts are adjustable for angle, but that won't change the angle that it strikes the screen - in the case of the High Power - If I understand it correctly - the best postioning for a PJ is somewhere close to the same angle as the viewer


If you're zero'd in on the PJ and have decided to go with a ceiling mount - I would just get a different screen than the high power.


You will be glad you went thru all the hassle of selecting a good setup for a front PJ. It is a complex subject and not the same for everyone. However, there is great "WOW" factor.


There is no one best setup. There's just the best one for you. So it's all about compromises and which are the right set of compromises for you _big grin_


You're getting there, and starting to figure out the compromises that will be correct for you.


Someone resurrected a thread about high powers and ceiling mount usage that may be interesting to you.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=505176


Regards


Ken L
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Simply put, I want to watch The Wizard of Oz and be in complete awe of the brightness and vivid colors. No X Box or Computer games for me, no business presentations or any of that. Just great quality for DVD watching. And since my sofa is right smack in the middle of the screen area, viewing angles is not an issue. Does that help at all?
The key words I'm picking up on are "brightness" and "vivid colors." The Silverstar is what immediately comes to my mind. It is bright, colors pop off the screen & plasma-like. That's not the "best" screen for everybody, but if this is what you're looking for, the silverstar may fit the bill.
Julia, hope my reviews help.
What DaLite screen can be ordered in 2.35:1? I think I'm either going that or 1.85:1 since I only watch DVD movies. Just not sure how that will effect the AE700 Panny projector, since it's "16:9"


Will there be any negative effects for using this projector on a 2.35:1?


thx,


Stieger
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Julia, hope my reviews help.
Yes, that was impressive! :)


One question. One of the screens not in there was the Video Spectra 1.5, which seems to be getting some attention lately. I am guessing that screen came out after your experiment? How do you think that screen would compete among the other 29 tested?
it would be half as bright as the high power or silverstar and slightly brighter than a matte white screen:)
Tryg


I have reed your reviews, and the work you put into them is amazing.I know your the kind of guy who favors colors and brightness over blacks.I'M still wondering what i would like better, and i've narrowed down my search to two screens, the hccv and the cinema vision like you have.


I have a sp4805 and will be projecting on a 92"screen in a basement with a blue ceiling and dark colored walls with full control of the lights.In these conditions do you think the cinema vision can perform better then the hccv and if so why?


THANKS
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