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Yeah, that's the famous one that made everybody with a supposedly "3D Ready" hdtv with hdmi 1.3 cry. At the very end of the video, he (Don Mesa), basically says they are starting with hdmi 1.4, and aren't going to support hdmi 1.3 whatsoever. Also, they are using the Frame Sequential format, not Checkerboard. Sucks for me, as a Samsung PN50A450 owner.
 

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2 min, 10 sec is where he begins to discc Full HD per eye from the PS3 . This video was shot about two weeks ago.
 

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So I'm not capable of understanding high-level tech talk, but it seems like sony is not ruling-out use of the PS3 with HDMI 1.3 tvs. Is the second video saying that basically the 3d video will be sent out via HDMI 1.3 at a 1.4 bandwidth, but the audio and other features will not? If so, we could get 1080p to both eyes.


This leaves hope for DLP checkerboard owners who have HDMI 1.3 tvs. In my case, I don't have an audio receiver with HDMI pass-thru anyway, so all audio is passed via toslink. And I don't recall sony anywhere actually saying the upgrade wouldn't include checkerboard support. It certainly seems they would have some economic incentive to make it apply to more than one format (there is at least one potential PS3 buyer waiting to see if his TV would be supported). And I would guess for the next year or so, there will be more checkerboard owners than other format.
 

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It certainly seems they would have some economic incentive to make it apply to more than one format (there is at least one potential PS3 buyer waiting to see if his TV would be supported). And I would guess for the next year or so, there will be more checkerboard owners than other format.

incentive for Sony to support checkerboard on PS3 = possibility that PS3 can do checkerboard at all X [(potential PS3 buyers with old 3D-ready DLPs X $299) - (potential Sony 3DTV buyers ready to replace old 3D-ready Mitsubishi or Samsung DLPs if necessary X $3200 approx)]
 

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So I'm not capable of understanding high-level tech talk, but it seems like sony is not ruling-out use of the PS3 with HDMI 1.3 tvs. Is the second video saying that basically the 3d video will be sent out via HDMI 1.3 at a 1.4 bandwidth, but the audio and other features will not? If so, we could get 1080p to both eyes.


This leaves hope for DLP checkerboard owners who have HDMI 1.3 tvs. In my case, I don't have an audio receiver with HDMI pass-thru anyway, so all audio is passed via toslink. And I don't recall sony anywhere actually saying the upgrade wouldn't include checkerboard support. It certainly seems they would have some economic incentive to make it apply to more than one format (there is at least one potential PS3 buyer waiting to see if his TV would be supported). And I would guess for the next year or so, there will be more checkerboard owners than other format.

All you need is the Mits 3DC-1000 3D format converter. Will be available in a couple of months.
 

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I'm mainly interested whether, in theory, a PS3 could send 3-d over 1.3 HDMI to my DLP. Now whether they would be so altruistic as to include checkerboard is another matter.


I doubt many current DLP owners would shell over another $3000 for a sony tv, when a $100 adapter would be sufficient. And sony should be interested in being compatible with all 3-d sets. If the whole PS3 situation was an attempt to increase sony TV sales they probably wouldn't have made PS3's compatible with other brands to begin with.


I'm curious, does anyone know how this $100 adapter will work? Will it be connected betweent he HDMI source and my TV? If so, would i have to switch inputs when I go from cable to Blu-ray, or purchase an adapter for each HDMI input?
 

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I'm mainly interested whether, in theory, a PS3 could send 3-d over 1.3 HDMI to my DLP. Now whether they would be so altruistic as to include checkerboard is another matter.


I doubt many current DLP owners would shell over another $3000 for a sony tv, when a $100 adapter would be sufficient. And sony should be interested in being compatible with all 3-d sets. If the whole PS3 situation was an attempt to increase sony TV sales they probably wouldn't have made PS3's compatible with other brands to begin with.


I'm curious, does anyone know how this $100 adapter will work? Will it be connected betweent he HDMI source and my TV? If so, would i have to switch inputs when I go from cable to Blu-ray, or purchase an adapter for each HDMI input?

My guesstimate is, it will look like THIS


You are going to have to use some kind of a switcher to have more than one 3D input. Either a 1.4 receiver or a 1.4 2, 3 or 4 to 1 switcher which isn't available (AFAIK) today but will be as they made 1.3 switchers.
 

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I'll be keeping my eye on Octava to produce an HDMI 1.4 matrix switcher. I have their HDMI 1.3a 4x4 matrix switcher, and it's a thing of beauty. Any 4 inputs to any or all 4 displays simultaneously. Great design and ultra cheap price, especially compared to the "big boys" like Geffen. Octava products just plain work.
 

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I'll be keeping my eye on Octava to produce an HDMI 1.4 matrix switcher. I have their HDMI 1.3a 4x4 matrix switcher, and it's a thing of beauty. Any 4 inputs to any or all 4 displays simultaneously. Great design and ultra cheap price, especially compared to the "big boys" like Geffen. Octava products just plain work.

Interesting product they sell:

4 x 2 HDMI Matrix Amp with 7.1 Audio Routing

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Perfect for systems using PS3 which has internal LPCM decoding on HDMI. The 4x2 can take the decoded LPCM from the PS3 and convert to 5.1/7.1 ( 8ch) Analog Audio for easy integration with your high end 5.1/7.1 audio receiver/amp.
http://www.octavainc.com/HDMI%20swit..._7_1audio.html
 

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My guesstimate is, it will look like THIS


You are going to have to use some kind of a switcher to have more than one 3D input. Either a 1.4 receiver or a 1.4 2, 3 or 4 to 1 switcher which isn't available (AFAIK) today but will be as they made 1.3 switchers.

Since one of the announcec benefits of the DLP adapter is that it supports different 3D input formats. I do not beleive the rumor that it will have only one HDMI input. I expect at least two, one for Blu-Ray player and one for a Cable or Satellite STB and possibly a third for PC game input.
 

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Since one of the announcec benefits of the DLP adapter is that it supports different 3D input formats. I do not beleive the rumor that it will have only one HDMI input. I expect at least two, one for Blu-Ray player and one for a Cable or Satellite STB and possibly a third for PC game input.

Here is the original press release from Mits on the 3DC-1000:

Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America Brings 3D to Life at “Experience 3D Tech Zone” at CES

New 3D Adapter Will Enable Cross-Platform Compatibility for 3D Content

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LAS VEGAS — January 5, 2010 —Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America, Inc. (MDEA) will showcase the flexibility and versatility of its 3D-ready TV products by displaying 3D content delivered by various video sources, including Blu-Ray players at CES 2010 in the “Experience 3D Tech Zone”. MDEA has also announced a new 3D adapter which will provide Mitsubishi 3D-ready Home Theater TV owners with an easy and affordable solution to display 3D from a 3D Blu-Ray player. The Mitsubishi 3DC-1000 3D adapter will be available in late spring of 2010. MDEA will be located in CES booth #14548, Central Hall.
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¹ In order to display 3D images, Mitsubishi LaserVue® & Home Theater 3D Ready TVs require source devices to support checkerboard format for display of 3D gaming or 3D Blu-ray content. Some 3D Blu-ray players (BDPs) may output a checkerboard format that is compatible with Mitsubishi 3D Ready TVs. For 3D BDPs that do not output a compatible checkerboard format, Mitsubishi plans to offer the 3DC-1000 3D adapter. The 3DC-1000 will convert the 3D BDP output to a 3D format that can be displayed by any Mitsubishi 3D Ready TV.

EDIT: I just sent an Email asking how many inputs the 3DC-1000 will have and to verify that it will handle the S-b-S 1080i 3D format. May not hear back until next week as the person who could help me is at a conference and is not expected to return to the office today.
 

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Well I was wrong on that one, so regretfully users wiill have to use a switch in order to support different 3D inport sources.

If you write them back in would be nice to know if they see no problem receiving 3D content from STBs receiving sporting events broadcast in 720p 3D by cable channels such as ESPN-3D.
 

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Well I was wrong on that one, so regretfully users wiill have to use a switch in order to support different 3D inport sources.

If you write them back in would be nice to know if they see no problem receiving 3D content from STBs receiving sporting events broadcast in 720p 3D by cable channels such as ESPN-3D.

I sent another Email. let's leave this thread for the PS3 upgrade topic.
 

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¹ In order to display 3D images, Mitsubishi LaserVue® & Home Theater 3D Ready TVs require source devices to support checkerboard format for display of 3D gaming or 3D Blu-ray content. Some 3D Blu-ray players (BDPs) may output a checkerboard format that is compatible with Mitsubishi 3D Ready TVs. For 3D BDPs that do not output a compatible checkerboard format, Mitsubishi plans to offer the 3DC-1000 3D adapter. The 3DC-1000 will convert the 3D BDP output to a 3D format that can be displayed by any Mitsubishi 3D Ready TV.

Interesting wording. Not only does it have to be checkerboard, it has to be a compatible checkerboard, which is something I've never considered. Are there checkerboards that are incompatible?
 

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Interesting wording. Not only does it have to be checkerboard, it has to be a compatible checkerboard, which is something I've never considered. Are there checkerboards that are incompatible?

I believe it says that either a 3D BD player will output a compatible checkerboard 3D format which DLP RPTV's can use, or it will output a non- compatible 3D format (like frame packed) which is not compatible to DLP RPTVs and the adapter will be required.


AFAIK, there is only one kind of Checkerboard 3D format. Just one of many 3D formats like:


Frame Sequential

Line-by-Line

Side-by-Side

Over/Under

Checkerboard


Etc.
 

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All jockeying aside. Whats the endgame, when will Sony launch this firmware upgrade for HDMI 1.4? Also the sammy UNC7000 is 1.4 compatible. correct?
 

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All jockeying aside. Whats the endgame, when will Sony launch this firmware upgrade for HDMI 1.4? Also the sammy UNC7000 is 1.4 compatible. correct?

June/July for the upgrade and yes to the 7000 question
 
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