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Hmmmm. I don't know if I trust that any currently heightened interest in it by the teenage or college crowd is necessarily going to result in any real long-lasting uptick in the industry in general, though. More likely to just be a "fad" for those types.


Once their parents and other family member's old, free and cheap turntables and cassette decks all break down, it'll probably be over for the most part. New turntables which are decent enough to give them an improved sound over mp3 aren't cheap.


You might get a certain number of those who's interest in vinyl carries over because they prefer the sound, but probably not a huge amount - especially once they go on and start getting wrapped up in more adult responsibilities. Certainly not more than the old aficionados who are dying off.


Now, if it were more mature adults fueling the so-called boom, I might be inclined to take it a little more seriously (and Eastern Asia doesn't count. Serious collectors over there have been hogging all this stuff up for awhile now like crazy).
 

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The real road block to any vinyl comeback is software. Content content content! Are any major labels with large pop catalogs publishing any of that treasure trove on vinyl these days? Are a significant number of new releases being pressed on vinyl? Classical and Jazz labels will not sustain a resurgence in vinyl.


Sadly, the planet has voted and the masses would rather have their music convenient and easy to access rather than stunningly real. 128K bit rate music files are fine. TV speakers are fine. Earbuds are fine. HTIB is great! They don't care about SACD or DVDA. They don't know or care about Bluray or lossless audio codecs. Why would they care about vinyl? They wouldn't. This is either a fashion statement that will be over in 6 months or a really really small market of new fans. Either way, it's not sustainable for equipment makers, studios, or artists. You need a minimum critical mass (money) to keep it going.
 

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Originally Posted by Magnefied /forum/post/18281278


Classical and Jazz labels will not sustain a resurgence in vinyl.

There is no new classical vinyl. Hasn't been any for years.
 

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What's interesting are the limited edition new releases that are available which will often include exclusive tracks, booklets, and artwork exclusive to that pressing. A must-have for a collector or particular fan.



http://www.amazon.com/Heligoland-Bon...180944&sr=8-13
 

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there is a surprising amount of pop/rock stuff on lp--norah jones, guns n roses, metallica, many many indie bands, u2, pearl jam-just to name a few. not so sure about the newest one hit wonders but the bands that care about sound and have some longevity seem to be pressing some vinyl. even my local best buys are carrying some vinyl titles and I live in the middle of nowhere.
 

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The thing is, if you grew up with vinyl like me, I was always hoping for something better to come along. Alas, CD.


Now since it is somewhat of a niche product, this generation thinks it is cool and sounds better....bah humbug. MHO of course.


I just can't go back to the hiss, snap, crackle and pop of vinyl. Nor do I care for the highly compressed crap that most folks seem to listen to on their ipods and such.
 

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There is no new classical vinyl. Hasn't been for years.

Didn't say there was. What I said was that Jazz & Classical music wouldn't sustain a market for vinyl. If Acoustic Sounds can be assumed to be a proxy for all the vinyl that's getting sold (they have a convenient search tool), then three categories of music make up roughly 3/4ths of the available titles. Classical and Jazz are a big part of that. I was actually amazed at the catalog of rock / pop titles but upon reflection, I guess I shouldn't be. Those categories have probably outsold all other categories combined by a 10 to 1 margin over the last 50 years.


Acoustics Sounds Search For Classical Music Yields.....

Vinyl - 2,488 titles

CD - 422

SACD - 1,939

DVDA - 128


Acoustics Sounds Search For Jazz Music Yields.....

Vinyl - 3,288 titles

CD - 575

SACD - 519

DVDA - 75


Acoustics Sounds Search For Pop / Rock Music Yields.....

Vinyl - 7,773 titles

CD - 227

SACD - 154

DVDA - 132


The other two categories in the top 5 are Soundtracks & Broadway. Oh joy.
 

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Originally Posted by Magnefied /forum/post/18282198


Didn't say there was. What I said was that Jazz & Classical music wouldn't sustain a market for vinyl.

No argument. I was only adding a reason why.
 

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There is no new classical vinyl. Hasn't been for years.
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Acoustics Sounds Search For Classical Music Yields.....

Vinyl - 2,488 titles

So what are they selling—remainders?
 

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I still have my old vinyl collection. Much of it is not in the best shape, a result of years of dorm misuse and abuse, although some of it was purchased post college and is probably in decent shape. I recently ran across my old turntable in the attic. I toyed with the idea of getting it down and plugging it up, decided no I won't. My wife wanted to put the albums on the curb and get rid of them!! She may still.


When I bought my Oppo BDP83 I started collecting a few SACDs (classical) and knew I had some HDCDs just by default. I bought a few more HDCDs from best buy, being mixed in with the normal ones. Seems mostly limited to acoustical types like Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, Stephen Stills.


It is sad that the standard today is redbook CD. I'm afraid anything better will be just be a fancy of a few. I'm still hoping for mass adoption of BD 3.0. Neil Young has most of his early works on BD. But I'd settle for HDCD, just something better.
 

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New turntables which are decent enough to give them an improved sound over mp3 aren't cheap.


It does not matter how much you spend on a turntable, you will NEVER get sound as good as good MP3
 

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It does not matter how much you spend on a turntable, you will NEVER get sound as good as good MP3

Funniest thing I've read all day!
 

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Funniest thing I've read all day!

What is funny is that vinyl lovers just will not admit that its not really an accurate medium whatsoever.


Its cool to like something but if SQ = Accuracy then Vinyl has LOW SQ.
 

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Another major issue for neophyte or returning vinyl shoppers is that the remaining vinyl pressing plants are using machinery decades old, sometimes cobbled together to keep 'em up and running and the resulting lack of quality consistency is abundant.


Seems like half of the people I read about who are purchasing new vinyl are complaining that their album purchases are substandard in some way; warped, not centered correctly, noisy, etc. And the vinyls retailers either won't take vinyl back or they're only willing to allow a very limited number of return allowances as the record companies are not giving them any allowances or credits for bad vinyl.


A person who gets back into the new vinyl market must be prepared to endure a steady stream of frustration.
 

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They made it sound in the article like these "new fans" are buying newer releases, but in the picture, it looks like they're rifling through used albums, so I'm not sure I know what to make of the article.


I have to laugh when I try to picture our youth of today attempting to deal with turntables and LP's at a drinking party. After a couple of parties, I can see them saying "Oh, **** it - just give me *** **** mp3 player".
 

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What is funny is that vinyl lovers just will not admit that its not really an accurate medium whatsoever.


Its cool to like something but if SQ = Accuracy then Vinyl has LOW SQ.

I participated in most of the vinyl threads over the last year, year and a half. Funny, but I don't remember many of us who love vinyl professing that vinyl was more accurate than, CD, for example. But people, like you I guess, continue to bring it up, but that doesn't make it true. "most" of us simply stated that we like it for a variety of reasons. Nostalgia, we perferred the sound to what is coming out on CD these days, and to many of us vinyl was simply another option. It was in "addition" to CD, downloads, etc. Not a replacement for that media. So your posting that we just won't admit anything doesn't make what you say true. You participated in most of those threads as well and stated the same crap that you post now. It's not any more true now than it was then. We argued that CD was only as good as the master it was created from and that many of the vinyl albums seemed to be cut from superior masters and hence sounded better than their CD counterparts. Nobody, to my knowledge, ever argued that CD was not potentially a superior media, but that the industry these days didn't seem to be taking advantage of that superiority. Instead they compressed the shictk out of the music, going for pure loudness as we all know that loudness sells.


With all due respect, don't paint us vinyl lovers with the broad and inaccurate brush that you seem to be using. It's insulting and untrue.
 

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I participated in most of the vinyl threads over the last year, year and a half. Funny, but I don't remember many of us who love vinyl professing that vinyl was more accurate than, CD, for example. But people, like you I guess, continue to bring it up, but that doesn't make it true. "most" of us simply stated that we like it for a variety of reasons. Nostalgia, we perferred the sound to what is coming out on CD these days, and to many of us vinyl was simply another option. It was in "addition" to CD, downloads, etc. Not a replacement for that media. So your posting that we just won't admit anything doesn't make what you say true. You participated in most of those threads as well and stated the same crap that you post now. It's not any more true now than it was then. We argued that CD was only as good as the master it was created from and that many of the vinyl albums seemed to be cut from superior masters and hence sounded better than their CD counterparts. Nobody, to my knowledge, ever argued that CD was not potentially a superior media, but that the industry these days didn't seem to be taking advantage of that superiority. Instead they compressed the shictk out of the music, going for pure loudness as we all know that loudness sells.


With all due respect, don't paint us vinyl lovers with the broad and inaccurate brush that you seem to be using. It's insulting and untrue.

I didnt make the silly comment , Im just replying with facts...that other guy that posted laughing is laughing for the wrong reasons. The fact is people post they liked the SQ of vinyl....SQ isnt subjective for me.


"sounded better" sounds like an subjective opinion to me. If its not as accurate it will not sound better in my opinion. Im happy you realize it has its flaws, Im also not saying anything about what you should enjoy either but again if someone is going to post online that "Product A is better then PRoduct B" they should be talking about the data and not their own subjective wants.


We all like something, I find no reason to post about that type of stuff online actually. These discussions go the same way everytime. I just want facts and science. Not concerned about subjective banter.




btw, I agree with your opinion on compression.
 
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