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Virtuoso and Bravo D2

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Finally getting around to play a little with my new DVD player. It works fine. In other words there are not compatibility issues with the PJ. Said that, the D2 default setup (brightness, contrast and saturation) is the worst out of box picture I have ever seen. I just have to spend time tweaking it.


What where they thinking????
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well I am done tweaking and the good news "to my eyes" comparing D1 vs. D2 same dvd via DVI using a gefen switcher the picture quality is basically the same. The player seems to behave consistent and reliably. I have only used this thing for 4 hrs so keep that in mind.



Cheers,
Jerry,


You are commenting on one of my biggest complaints.


Most people don't know how to work contrast and brightness. For brightness and contrast there is one set of proper settings. If all analog signal sources were accurate or close to accurate we would never need brightness and contrast controls. Problem is that many of our analog sources are 7.5 IRE for black while others are 0 IRE for black - wonderful.


Well that all should have been fixed with DVI, but DVI didn't hold a solid spec either. Some DVI sources are 16-235 like a lot of the DVI DVD players and a lot of DVI sources use the full range 0-255 like PC's (what a concept use the full 8-bit range)


Now we have DVI sources with Brightness Contrast and Saturation controls. We are now back to square one. Many of our DVI sources now have brightness and contrast and so do our displays - for digital transmission!! A bunch of controls for manufacturers not to set properly or users to screw up.


Wonderful.


-Mr. Wigggles
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well I am done tweaking and the good news "to my eyes" comparing D1 vs. D2 same dvd via DVI using a gefen switcher the picture quality is basically the same. The player seems to behave consistent and reliably. I have only used this thing for 4 hrs so keep that in mind.



Cheers,
Hi Jerry,


Glad to hear that things are working out with your Bravo D2. I was kind of worried based on PSB's response in this thread:

Which DVI/HDMI player for 7200?


Last week I received my new InFocus ScreenPlay 7205, and Monday I'm supposed to receive delivery of my Bravo D2. Based on PSB's response I'm seriously concerned that there might be compatibility or other problem. I guess I'll have to hope for the best, but expect the worst.


Do you mind explaining in more detail how you went about "tweaking" the D2? Did you use a particular test DVD? I take it these adjustment are just for the D2, not the projector. Based on VGA output from my old HTPC, my projector looks very good "out of the box" and I wouldn't want to fiddle with the projector settings to compensate for the DVD player.


Thanks.


Larry
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I wouldn't want to fiddle with the projector settings to compensate for the DVD player.
Larry,


I'll let Jerry answer your question for himself, but I just wanted to say that is precisely what the PJ's controls are for. The only reason the PJ comes with those controls is so that the PJ can be matched perfectly to a variety of different brands and types of sources, as Mr Wigggles has explained above. Jerry is using test patterns that allow this to be done easily and precisely. You are going to want to do the same thing. Every PJ owner should consider a calibration DVD an essential purchase. It makes no sense to spend $$ on a display, without spending the additional $15-$40 dollars on the calibration DVD that enables you to set the basic picture parameters.


If you haven't done this, your PJ isn't looking its best. As happy as you are right now with your PJ, it is going to look even better when you set it properly.


Glenn
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Hi Glenn,


Thanks for the response.


I've got an old Video Essentials calibration DVD, is that good enough for a DLP projector? I thought I remember reading about a lot of dissatisfied forum members who felt the newer "digital" version was a waste of money. Which calibration DVD do you recommend? I see that Avia has a professional version for $400! :eek:


So being a little new to the world of projectors, I assume that I would have to calibrate it for each source and the projector should remember the setting for each?


I've got an old rear projection HDTV that I've had ISF calibrated by Louis Carliner twice now (the second after a long inter-state move). Louis is so meticulous and his results are so stunning I've always felt the expense was well worth it. However, I was wondering does it make sense to hire a professional to calibrate a DLP projector?


Thanks.


Larry
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Larry,


I'll let Jerry answer your question for himself,
Thanks Glenned. Larry I followed Glenned advice right here. :) http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...light=OLD+AVIA
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Hi Glenn,


Thanks for the response.


I've got an old Video Essentials calibration DVD, is that good enough for a DLP projector?
that is what I have. I also have AVIA and that is what I use. Just follow Glenned advice.
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Now we have DVI sources with Brightness Contrast and Saturation controls. We are now back to square one. Many of our DVI sources now have brightness and contrast and so do our displays - for digital transmission!! A bunch of controls for manufacturers not to set properly or users to screw up.


Wonderful.


-Mr. Wigggles
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Larry,


I'll let Jerry answer your question for himself, but I just wanted to say that is precisely what the PJ's controls are for. The only reason the PJ comes with those controls is so that the PJ can be matched perfectly to a variety of different brands and types of sources, as Mr Wigggles has explained above.
Hi Guys,


I'm a little confused. I've downloaded the Bravo D2 User's manual, and as Mr. Wigggles laments, it has controls to adjust brightness, contrast and color saturation.


My question is even if the setting on the Bravo were off "out of the box" why would I change the settings on my projector if it is providing excellent viewing using my HTPC as a source? Unlike my HDTV, InFocus projectors are calibrated very close to standards at the factory. Why would I want to screw that calibration up by fiddling with the projector settings when I can bring the DVD player back into standard by using it's controls to adjust it with a calibration disc?


Thanks.


Larry
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