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Prepare for my lengthy write-up....I need your help.


I have been posting and reading threads here at AVS for years, but I have never ventured into the display area because I was always satisfied with my SD TV. However, HD 1080p TV's are now widely available and certainly look much nicer than their SD counterparts. I have everything I need concerning the audio end of our living room and our new dedicated theater room (which is still under construction), but I have not picked a display(s) yet. For now, I will focus on our living room and deal with the HT room another time as the theater room will have a projector.


Over the past few weeks, here on AVS, I have been reading threads on LCD's, their advantages/disadvantages and which manufacturers seem to provide the best bang for buck products. To my dismay it seems there is no LCD that is widely accepted as "great", or even "good" for that matter. Perhaps the technology is still too immature, or maybe my price range is a hindrance, but I am having issues pulling the trigger on a screen. I chose LCD because of the wide availability of 1080p screens with good contrast ratios and took into account the price tag of the new 1080p plasma screens (too expensive for me). Of course, I want the best all around performing unit within my price range and am open to suggestions on brands, sizes , form factors and the like.


I have read a lot of the thread concerning the Sony clouding/backlight issue and the Samsung ln-s4xxxx threads, and I have also read user reviews from consumers on sites like cnet, amazon,etc. The Sony seems like the way to go if not for that blasted cloudiness issue. The next best seems to the be Samsung ln-s series units (the 40 or 46"), but they seems to have green shadowing issues and/or an inaccurate green color. So I am in a pickle and would like some suggestions and perhaps some explanations.


What brands/models perform well overall? What brands should I stay away from? How do I found out who makes the panel and what specs that panel has?


The TV purchased will sit around 9-11 ft. from the viewing area. It must be 1080p and will be used for movies, SD and HD television and maybe a little video gaming.


Finally, I have been shopping and generally sampling what models look good to my eye. I have noticed that the viewing distance with these TV's is crucial. I found a few distance calculators and have tested out the recommend distance, however my personal results don't agree with the recommend distances given using this distance calculator:
http://www.myhometheater.homestead.c...alculator.html


This calculator seems to agree more with my experiences, however:
http://www.dtvcity.com/lcdtv/lcdscreensize.html


Which one(s) do you all trust? Why do these two differ so greatly?


My good friend has a 42" 1080p Toshiba LCD. He has it placed about 8.5 ft. from his main viewing area. Yesterday we watch some HD programming and the picture just didn't look as good as I thought it would. We could see the pixels and sometimes some motion blur (8rms rating). However, at a distance of around 10.5' the picture looked much more natural and realistic. The viewing distance calculator recommends HD programming to be viewed at 5.5' and SD at 14.6 for a 42" widescreen TV. This blows my mind because we were originally 8.5' away and could still see the pixels. I can't imagine watching at the recommended 5.5'. So my question is, what gives? Can this viewing distance calculator be trusted or is the TV perhaps to blame? Any tips?


Thanks everyone for taking the time to read through this HUGE book of a post. Any help you can give will be much appreciated.


Thanks!
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Perhaps the technology is still too immature, or maybe my price range is a hindrance
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Or maybe you're just reading a forum full of the ultimate nit-pickers, who'd rather talk about the theoretical perfect TV than watch an actual very good one?


I agree that the shortcomings are disappointing, and they haven't quite got things figured out, and in a generation or two they ought to be improved a little ... but I'm still glad I bought one. Most people here, and 99.9% of people who live in the real world, would be very happy with the Sonys or Samsungs, assuming they don't get a lemon. Especially if it's being used as a TV, rather than a PC monitor.


If you want the Sony and you're worried about cloudiness ... find a local retailer.


You can get a 46" for far less than your budget. Would spending less, and feeling like it's not a permanent, superexpensive decision, make you feel any better that it's not perfect?


As far as that Toshiba looking disappointing ... often most of the image quality problems you'll see are with the source, not the TV. There's very little broadcast TV that doesn't have some issues; and most of the so-called HD broadcasts aren't really. You need to find a good source to really decide.
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I agree about many being nit-pickers. I have the Samsung LN-S4692D (a 720p) and find it to be nothing short of fantastic. I don't even know what Shadowing is, but have not noticed anything problematic with the picture.


HD channels are spectacular.
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I agree with buzzy, motion blur is most often the source, not the TV. I have never seen any blur on my Mitsu 46131 with my HD-DVD player and very little on HDNET. Most other feeds its a crap shoot.
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agree about nit-picking as well, as i am a nit-picker myself. also the calibration of the set is crucial as well. if you're looking at them in an average retail store they probably are not adjusted correctly. are your friends toshiba picture adjustments correct for his viewing distance and room lighting set up? you can take even a sub par tv and make it look mighty good with the proper adjustments.


personally i have a 32 inch toshiba lcd (720p) purchased this week and it is amazing. even compared to my older 30 inch HD crt tv. but, it DID take time to tweak the picture settings out of the box and i'm still tweaking it. on average i think it takes a couple of weeks of tweaking after the purchase and set up to get it right. that goes for all tv types- crt, lcd, or plasma.


also you mention it HAS to be 1080p. is there a particular reason for this? there are no HD broadcasts in 1080p and as far as i know even most HD DVD or BLU RAY discs are upconverted from 1080i to p. in my opinion your just paying more for something that doesn't truly exist now and hopefully will become a satandard eventually. how much of a difference do you think your eyes will see between 1080i vs. 1080p?


the way i did it (which you may consider as well- even though you're going from SD crt to HD whereas i shifted from HD crt to HD LCD) is to get a display that will play 720p and 1080i for a lesser cost, then when (or if) 1080p ever becomes the standard or even later down the line go for a 1080p and move the 720p/1080i to a different room like a bedroom. if nothing else by that time the 1080p displays should have dropped in price dramatically.
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>> There's very little broadcast TV that doesn't have some issues; and most of the so-called HD broadcasts aren't really.


I think this depends largely on your source. I'm getting my networks (abc, nbc, cbs, fox, pbs) over the air and they look excellent, all of them. Some cable providers are compressing their HD channels for bandwidth reasons. DirecTV's version of HD has become known as "HDLite." My point is that I don't often see people pulling in HD over the air complaining about artifacting or blurring. It does happen but it's usually due to a substandard graphics card, outdated driver or some other software issue.


I'm convinced that the pinnacle of HD is still over the air. Our PCs have given us the ability to capture and timeshift/record the signal and watch it whenever we want.
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Best PQ is goin to come from Sony XBR2 / v2500 or Sammy 4x95. All these have cloudy issues but if you get a good set you won't regret it. I have a cloudy XBR2. PQ is fantastic but going to exchange soon due to clouds hopefully i will get a cloud free unit.
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Strange post IMO. HDTV (programming and reasonable cost displays, even if CRT) has been readily available for at least 3 yrs in most locals.


The poster has been satisfied with SD even in the HDTV world.


Now he needs a custom built home theater and 1080p. For someone whom picture quality didn't mean much (satifieded with SD) seems like just getting a good value HD TV should be more than adequate. 42" plasma and LCD in the $1000-$1200 range is readily available.
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Strange post IMO. HDTV (programming and reasonable cost displays, even if CRT) has been readily available for at least 3 yrs in most locals.


The poster has been satisfied with SD even in the HDTV world.


Now he needs a custom built home theater and 1080p. For someone whom picture quality didn't mean much (satifieded with SD) seems like just getting a good value HD TV should be more than adequate. 42" plasma and LCD in the $1000-$1200 range is readily available.
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I was satisfied with SD, mostly because I didn't watch much TV. Also, there is a difference between being satisfied and being pleased and/or happy. Now I watch a lot of TV and have an xbox 360 with HD-DVD. I want 1080p because I don't want to be purchasing new TV's every few years and because I can notice the difference between 1080i and p if I pay close attention. It's not a large difference on any scale, but it's noticeable to me nonetheless. I am open to 1080i if the price is right and the difference is barely noticeable, but I will be using an HD-DVD player and, again, I don't want to upgrade every few years. I have had my SD CRT for 10 years and would like the same situation with this purchase, hence I feel 1080p is the way to go.


Samsung and Sony seem to be the way to go for 1080p sets. More manufacturers are joining the 1080p LCD market, some announced at CES, so maybe I should just wait until they new stuff hits the showrooms?


sjg5359, does the cloudiness issue effect programming or just a blank screen with no signal? If it doesn't effect colors and the main aspects of the picture, I can deal with it. I can live with the letter boxes being a little cloudy, but I will not tolerate it if it effects colors and such.

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If you want the Sony and you're worried about cloudiness ... find a local retailer.
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I plan on it, however I have read numerous posts about getting 2, 3 and sometimes 4 bad units in a row, all from local retailers. I don't want to play the multi-exchange game if I don't have to.

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You can get a 46" for far less than your budget. Would spending less, and feeling like it's not a permanent, superexpensive decision, make you feel any better that it's not perfect?
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No. Sometimes you have to pay for quality. I don't mind doing that as long as I can live with the short comings each form factor presents. Issues with image quality, color saturation and contrast are unacceptable for me. We have all been spoiled by the last generation of HD CRT's; that's probably why I am so picky (my in-laws have one; it's incredible but would be too small to accommodate our room. I would prefer 46).

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As far as that Toshiba looking disappointing ... often most of the image quality problems you'll see are with the source, not the TV. There's very little broadcast TV that doesn't have some issues; and most of the so-called HD broadcasts aren't really. You need to find a good source to really decide.
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No argument there. We were just using an HD cable box, plus his screen wasn't calibrated using AVIA or any other means.

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are your friends toshiba picture adjustments correct for his viewing distance and room lighting set up?
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Probably not, but the viewing distance seemed to be the issue with his TV. We were just too close IMO.

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. even compared to my older 30 inch HD crt tv. but, it DID take time to tweak the picture settings out of the box and i'm still tweaking it. on average i think it takes a couple of weeks of tweaking after the purchase and set up to get it right. that goes for all tv types- crt, lcd, or plasma.
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Gotcha. I will make sure I spend plenty of time tweaking mine when I finally purchase it. Thanks.

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also you mention it HAS to be 1080p. is there a particular reason for this?
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1080p may become the new standard and HD DVD and blue-ray are 1080p. This is why I want 1080p.

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how much of a difference do you think your eyes will see between 1080i vs. 1080p?
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Very little, but I can nonetheless.

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the way i did it (which you may consider as well- even though you're going from SD crt to HD whereas i shifted from HD crt to HD LCD) is to get a display that will play 720p and 1080i for a lesser cost, then when (or if) 1080p ever becomes the standard or even later down the line go for a 1080p and move the 720p/1080i to a different room like a bedroom. if nothing else by that time the 1080p displays should have dropped in price dramatically.
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I would do it that way if I could, but I have a wife, child and now a mortgage. I can't afford to make multiple purchases.
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sjg5359, does the cloudiness issue effect programming or just a blank screen with no signal? If it doesn't effect colors and the main aspects of the picture, I can deal with it. I can live with the letter boxes being a little cloudy, but I will not tolerate it if it effects colors and such.
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It affects light and dark scenes, my clouds are pretty bad though. Watched Ultraviolet on Blu-Ray last night and didn't notice the clouds, PQ was excellent. But on other programming it can be seen easily. I'm probably gonna exchange in next few days i'll update you if the prob is better.
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Nuance,


I am in the exactly same position and understand completely. I've evolved to some extent. I really wanted and settled on the Pioneer 5070 Plasma. You'll find the same level of confusion with plasmas as a whole and then brand by brand. Plasma fans will say the color is more accurate and realistic and the contrast is better with truer black levels. Some dismiss LCDs as overly bright with inferior contrast and motion blurs. LCS fans say there's no possibility for burn in or stuck pixels, and its the way to go for bright rooms.


I'm a fan of a really nice looking picture and have begun to go crazy thinking about it all.


I bought a 40" Samsung LCD for my bedroom and am now looking for a 46-50" something or other for my family room. I got a great price for the Sammy ($1299, I think). It's 768p native (downscales to 720p). The PQ with STV is great - better than my CRT. I read posts about the Sony not processing STV as well as others and having noisiers STV. I have no idea if this is true.


The one wierd issue I have with the Sammy (I posted to this board and don't know if anyone replied), is that it seems to take a second to process between 4:3 to 16:9 and back, so you see a very short temporary image shadow. I first saw it and thought that the screen was blotchy and defective and thought - oh. no, here we go. I did a bunch of A/B'ing, memorized the outlines of what was on the set (I was watching King Tut in an MRI machine in HD (very cool) and when it switched to a 4:3 commercial, I saw the outline of the MRI machine and the scientist's head for 1/2 second or less, then it went black and then to the next image. I think this is just a very short lag in picture processing. I have no clue if it's a defect, nature of LCDs, nature of Samsung LCDs or something else. I wasn't looking for it and did notice it. And I'm not overly picky. I really don't want that on my bigger screen. But despite what people say on the plasma boards about anti-burn in technology, my daughter pauses everything and my sone plays video games and I figured rather than worrying about it and lecturing them (and getting in trouble with my wife), I'd go with an LCD set so I can let my kids pause and play and not worry about it.


I too want to know which set to go with - I started with wanting to know which is the best for $3k or less. Now I want to know what is very good and has little or no known problems. I think all flat panels have some issues because of physics and bc the technology is very new, compared to CRTs which has been in people's homes for a lot longer.


I think I'm going to buy the 1080p Sammy you were talking about. Why? The Sharp aquos got slammed by CNET for really inaccurate color - I have no idea if this is only visible in the lab but I am trying to go by something. Is CNET the be all end all. No. But there is no flat sceen LCD shoot out with all the sets I'm looking at. The Sony looks fine to me - in the store it didn't look any better then the Sammy, and it has such a big frame 50" wide I think, that it doesn't fit as well in my space (the Pio 5070 50" plasma was 49" wide). I'm also shying away from Sony bc there seems to be over 1000 posts on the clouding issue and I'm lazy and don't want to have to swap out sets - some people swapped out their sets multiple times.


I think I have to stop thinking. If I buy the plasma, I'll worry about burn-in (pizel retention). If I buy an LCD I'll worry that it's not as nice or it might have the clouding issue or something else.


Ultimately, we are very lucky to be able to feel stress over being able to afford a price like we are, when much of the world doesn't have food or freedom. My Sammy 40" will blow you away and I smile when I watch anything in HD. It got an ok rating by CNET (I think less than 7). I think probably anything you get will be such a step up, that you'll enjoy it, unless it's defective.


If I go plasma, I'm going 1080p also, bc once most TVS are 1080p, I don't want to regret not doing it, even if I can't take advantage of it now. I bought a B&K receiver bc it has torodial amps rather than solid state and was supposed to be purer sound. But the company won't upgrade the hardware to add HDMI, and now I'm regretting it bc I could have bought something that claimed to be hardware upgradeable.


Good luck. I probably should take my own advice and just go buy the Sammy 46" 1080p and stop thinking about it.
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The cloudy issues on the Sonys are enough for me to tell you to just hold back on thinking about getting one. Looking back at it, I would have gone with a Pioneer plasma (don't tell me those have issues too besides general plasma problems??) just so I don't have to worry about this nagging problem and have peace of mind I'm buying a set that is good quality...


I cannot imagine how frustrating it would be to end up with a cloudy TV like the pictures I've seen in those threads.


I would really advise you wait until people post more positive posts in that thread...hopefully beginning with January builds. I couldn't help but feel gloomy, as an XBR3 owner, reading just the first 1/5 of that thread. If Sony does not acknowledge this issue officially and provide support for those affected as they have done with the on/off problem plaguing some of the XBR1s a year ago ( http://www.updatemytv.com/ ), I will think twice about buying another Sony TV in the future.
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just to clarify that there are some good sony xbr2's with no clouds. My xbr2 is a December build and there are absolutely NO CLOUDS. Maybe Sony finally got their act together.
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I have a Mitsubishi LT-46131 on the way. AFAIK, there are no issues with them.
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Nuance.


Check the latest Sharp (D92, rolling out over the next few months) and JVC (newer ones shown at CES, don't know release date though) LCDs.


Sharp D62 has a banding problem, the current JVC's only take 1080i on input (but displays in 1080p).
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Nuance,


I am in the exactly same position and understand completely. I've evolved to some extent. I really wanted and settled on the Pioneer 5070 Plasma. You'll find the same level of confusion with plasmas as a whole and then brand by brand. Plasma fans will say the color is more accurate and realistic and the contrast is better with truer black levels. Some dismiss LCDs as overly bright with inferior contrast and motion blurs. LCS fans say there's no possibility for burn in or stuck pixels, and its the way to go for bright rooms.


I'm a fan of a really nice looking picture and have begun to go crazy thinking about it all.


I bought a 40" Samsung LCD for my bedroom and am now looking for a 46-50" something or other for my family room. I got a great price for the Sammy ($1299, I think). It's 768p native (downscales to 720p). The PQ with STV is great - better than my CRT. I read posts about the Sony not processing STV as well as others and having noisiers STV. I have no idea if this is true.


The one wierd issue I have with the Sammy (I posted to this board and don't know if anyone replied), is that it seems to take a second to process between 4:3 to 16:9 and back, so you see a very short temporary image shadow. I first saw it and thought that the screen was blotchy and defective and thought - oh. no, here we go. I did a bunch of A/B'ing, memorized the outlines of what was on the set (I was watching King Tut in an MRI machine in HD (very cool) and when it switched to a 4:3 commercial, I saw the outline of the MRI machine and the scientist's head for 1/2 second or less, then it went black and then to the next image. I think this is just a very short lag in picture processing. I have no clue if it's a defect, nature of LCDs, nature of Samsung LCDs or something else. I wasn't looking for it and did notice it. And I'm not overly picky. I really don't want that on my bigger screen. But despite what people say on the plasma boards about anti-burn in technology, my daughter pauses everything and my sone plays video games and I figured rather than worrying about it and lecturing them (and getting in trouble with my wife), I'd go with an LCD set so I can let my kids pause and play and not worry about it.


I too want to know which set to go with - I started with wanting to know which is the best for $3k or less. Now I want to know what is very good and has little or no known problems. I think all flat panels have some issues because of physics and bc the technology is very new, compared to CRTs which has been in people's homes for a lot longer.


I think I'm going to buy the 1080p Sammy you were talking about. Why? The Sharp aquos got slammed by CNET for really inaccurate color - I have no idea if this is only visible in the lab but I am trying to go by something. Is CNET the be all end all. No. But there is no flat sceen LCD shoot out with all the sets I'm looking at. The Sony looks fine to me - in the store it didn't look any better then the Sammy, and it has such a big frame 50" wide I think, that it doesn't fit as well in my space (the Pio 5070 50" plasma was 49" wide). I'm also shying away from Sony bc there seems to be over 1000 posts on the clouding issue and I'm lazy and don't want to have to swap out sets - some people swapped out their sets multiple times.


I think I have to stop thinking. If I buy the plasma, I'll worry about burn-in (pizel retention). If I buy an LCD I'll worry that it's not as nice or it might have the clouding issue or something else.


Ultimately, we are very lucky to be able to feel stress over being able to afford a price like we are, when much of the world doesn't have food or freedom. My Sammy 40" will blow you away and I smile when I watch anything in HD. It got an ok rating by CNET (I think less than 7). I think probably anything you get will be such a step up, that you'll enjoy it, unless it's defective.


If I go plasma, I'm going 1080p also, bc once most TVS are 1080p, I don't want to regret not doing it, even if I can't take advantage of it now. I bought a B&K receiver bc it has torodial amps rather than solid state and was supposed to be purer sound. But the company won't upgrade the hardware to add HDMI, and now I'm regretting it bc I could have bought something that claimed to be hardware upgradeable.


Good luck. I probably should take my own advice and just go buy the Sammy 46" 1080p and stop thinking about it.
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Thank you nahtanoj, that was a very helpful post. And you are correct, we are very fortunate to be able to afford something like this when others can't even feed themselves daily. I have had some issues with big ticket purchases in the past, which is probably why I am so anal about purchases over $1000. I just don't want any headaches or long hours sitting on the phone with customer service. When someone pays 3 grand for a TV it should work and work well. Part of me says just wait and see what hits the market in the next few months and the part of me says just get the Samsung 46. Either way, as others have said, I am sure it will be a HUGE step up from what I have and I will surely enjoy it, even it's not perfect.


Plasma would be ideal, but the 1080p Pioneer is $8000, way out of my range. I think that is the only 1080p plasma available right now.

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just to clarify that there are some good sony xbr2's with no clouds. My xbr2 is a December build and there are absolutely NO CLOUDS. Maybe Sony finally got their act together.
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I surely hope so. If it was a QC issue that they promptly addressed and remedied, I would have no purchasing from Sony, but they won't even admit to this as being an issue. So much for good customer support

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Nuance.


Check the latest Sharp (D92, rolling out over the next few months) and JVC (newer ones shown at CES, don't know release date though) LCDs.


Sharp D62 has a banding problem, the current JVC's only take 1080i on input (but displays in 1080p).
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Will do, thanks!
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Sharp D92u or D82u Series; there are SOO many new TVs coming out in the Feb time frame that you should wait at least until March if you can; the prices on the new models will probably come down a little bit by then; you might just be able to pickup a 46" Sharp 82U or even 92U (will be a lot tougher) $3k by then. The contrast ratios and motion artifacts seem to be where the real increases are being made this year.


I'd definitely say let some people pickup their new panels in February and pay attention to the reviews and then make your decision in March; the longer that you wait the better quality TV/larger TV you'll be able to get for your $$ this year is definitely going to be the "year of the LCDs"...
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The DTV viewing distance chart (the one you say you find more applicable to your experience) is most likely based on 720p resolution, given its results when I plug in numbers. As for your viewing experience with the 1080p Toshiba LCD, there are a number of possibilities. The source was not optimal. The TV is not as high performance as other LCDs. You have exceptionally sharp vision. It's really a 720p TV. You are sensitive to "screen door effect". The TV is not well setup or has a defect. Some other factor.


Before you make a decision, you should try to look at more than one 1080p display from the distance you plan to have between you and the TV. Since seeing the pixels was your main complaint, find a display where that's not a problem. Make a list of them and then look at them again, weeding out for other potential problems (motion blur, off-axis loss of brightness, etc.). That is how I'd proceed.
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I have a Mitsubishi LT-46131 on the way. AFAIK, there are no issues with them.
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Another vote for the LT-46131...it's awesome!
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I went from 45" Sharp to 57" Sharp at 8.5' and I'll be going to 65" in a few months (provided the feedback is stellar on the 52"). I view 90% 1080i via dot-by-dot and it's fantastic and I don't see noise or motion except for rare occasions and it is typically compression broadcast related or HD Hiccups at the broadcast end. I'm also pleasantly surprised that my SD is better than expected. The bonus is that quality 1080i and HD DVD is crystal clear.


Keep in mind what may seem large when setup will shrink to your eyes within a week or so and bigger does make a difference in "DETAILS" the panel will present back. The impact of the 57" versus the 45" with HD DVD movies and sports does make a difference with the larger size. Let your budget take you as large along with quality that you may go. At 9' a native 1080P panel doing 1:1 can handle a 70" panel and so it comes down to how much 480i you view and will tolerate the magnification of Turdvision.



I recommend you go for the D92 if it's in your budget but the viewing distance on a quality LCD should not have any problems. The feedback on the D92's from CES has been terrific or if you prefer Samsung or Sony or Mits as some have recommended go for it but I don't see an issue going bigger seeing how I own a 57" and have no hesitancy going to 65" except for the money I'll need to commit to sell my 57" and upgrade to the 65" and absorb the loss to go bigger.


The best viewing distance calculator are your own eyes and if a panel does 1:1 "Dot-byDot" is going to provide the best PQ native and add all the new features of the D92 I say WOW - go for it if you've got the budget. Sharp response times are excellent and take it to 120hz and 15K:1 CR.


I anxiously await feedback on the D92 52" owners to come soon and hopefully it doesn't turn into a nightmare the D62 did within one week of release which was a shocker since Sharp had no such history in the past.


BTW who builds the glass for Mits LCD's? There are only a handful of companies that actually build their own panels - the rest are rebadged with their own electronics - usually Chei Mei, Philips, et al.


Whatever you choose happy viewing!
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