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If so is ther any new info on the XP45 or a brighter version of the PLV-60?


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No, I don't think they were. I walked around the whole place and never saw Sanyo anywhere.
 

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They were in the RCA Dome annex to the show. Had a PLV-60 in rear projection set-up. Way too much ambient light to judge the picture, but 'screen door' effect seemed much more pronounced than the Sony 11HT. After looking at the new Sharp 16:9 DLP I think anything else in its price range (like the PLV-60) is a dead duck in the marketplace.
 

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I must disagree. The Sharp has worse color than my 3 years old Sony W400 LCD, and has both worse black and color than my Tosh CRT RPTV. If Sharp seel for $5000, others maybe dead duck, for $8000-9000, Sharp is dead duck already since it's absolutely not worth the extra $3000.

 

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Ken,


Sanyo was there, and unfortunately, the lights in the RCA dome were on so everything was pretty washed out -- lots of vendors were complaining about it. They were showing the PLV-60HT and either the XP40 or XP45 (sorry I don't remember which one it was http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/frown.gif ). The XP40/45 looked good and not too washed out considering the bright ambient light. They didn't have any new printed info other than what is already on Sanyo's website.


I spent some time with the Sanyo rep asking about the PLV-60HT and any new pjs that were coming in the near future. He couldn't say much (of course), but did mention that new versions of the PLV-60HT were in the works: a high-end version and another one. It was unclear whether the other one would be a mid-range or low-end version. The 60HT would fill out the trio of 16x9 pjs from Sanyo. He said that the high-end version would be brighter and that it would have "more features". He said they would probably make an annoucement before the end of the year, but made no promises. He wouldn't say anything else.


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I heard overtones of the same at Infocomm but they were less definite and hinged somewhat on the success of the PLV-60. I'm gathering that they are happy with reviews and more imporntly sales.


Wouldn't a 2500 lumen version be great?


Even so my Pananorph reduces screen door. I'm hoping that 3000 lumen LCDs with good contrast become commodity items within the next year.


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Assuming that the Runco is a tweaked SANYO, it looked Dam good.


Runco is banking on it.


What i found out is that the sanyo has a xillion optional lenses, and DVI and HDSDI inpiut cards.


HDSDI is the ultimate home theater input format( TERANEX).


The sony that uses the same panel ??50, also looked great.
 

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The Runco is an OEM PLV-60. I did not think it looked any better than a good LCD. After seeing the same Dinosaur clip on the G90 and M15 at the Faroudja booth (both at CEDIA and INFOCOMM) the demo of the Runco DLC-2000 didn't compare... Definite lack of contrast compared to even the heavily used M15. Obviously the G90 beat the pants off of both! http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif That's not to say that the DLC-2000 didn't look nice (especially in the high contrast fighting scenes from Gladiator), but it is not any more spectacular than the competition.


I'm more interested in the 720p DLP's, even though you can still see the rainbow (much reduced).


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Definite lack of contrast compared to even the heavily used M15. Obviously the G90 beat the pants off of both!
Actually, I don't think the G90 beat up the DILA.

For one, the G90 was on the ceiling, the G20 (I was told it was a G20 although I didn't look at it to confirm) was on a small table. They were both projected on the same screen - oopps! The screen was >at least< a 1.3 gain screen which would benefit the G90, not the DILA (which a GreyHawk would help), the screen would also have properly reflected the projector's light correctly for 'one' of the projectors. I'm assuming they favored the G90 in this case. The brightness difference between the two while watching would seem to confirm this (the DILA should have been MUCH brighter).


Still, I was glad to see the DILA looking so good for the general public (many of which had never seen a DILA set up correctly). JVC's booth (not the pro division) had a G150HT in it that looked absolutely awful. I was really surprised.


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I knew William had done the calibration (and it looked great). The Faroudja rep stated that 'it had been around,' and would normally look even better. I had heard different reports of it being a G15 and a G20, but I heard G20 more often so I assumed it was a G20 (and never bothered to look when I watched the demo).


While the G15's published 1,500 ansi lumens is certainly bogus, and even with a lumens-reducing calibration on it, the G15 should have been noticably brighter than the G90. It wasn't - oh well - it still looked great. I just disagree that the G90 kicked its butt (and most everyone in the demo with me agreed) - PARTICULARLY considering the G15 was at a slight disadvantage (screen material and orientation).


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I don't think the Faroudja demo theatre was big enough to support a G15... If this was the same projector used at Infocomm, I believe William Phelps posted previously that it was an M15. Of course, I could be wrong and it may be a G15 as Alan reports, however the projector was mounted on a platform above the bottom edge of the screen with no keystoning. This suggests an optical lens shift which is a feature of the M15. It was not, to my recollection a G20, it didn't have the G20's case...


The orientation is not as disadvantageous as you might think. The bottom level of the screen was below eye level so with the G90, the light from that portion of the screen is primarily reflected into the floor. The sweet spot for the G90 was higher on the screen. The M15 was mounted a little below to the centre of the screen, the sweet spot was the middle of the screen. In any case the 1.3 gain screen they were using is very diffusive, so neither projector should have had an undue advantage. Obviously, a Greyhawk would have helped greatly with black level, but the theatre was already pretty dark with black surfaces, so a lot of the contrast enhancing properties of the Greyhawk are reduced (not eliminated, of course).


As they say, though, that M15 had been through the wringer (I think they even dropped it at one time!) and it is not really representative of most D-ILA's after calibration.


I also didn't really notice that the M15 was a lot brighter, but the bulb had a lot of hours on it so it probably was outputing nearly half it's rated specs. The Sony could probably approach it's brightness in some real world scenes (without a large amount of white).


What I really noticed was the much better contrast on the G90, the D-ILA looked good, but not as good as the G90 (not by a long shot). The resolution of the G90 was visibly better (depending on where you sat, I suppose). Up front the G90 had much more detail (although no screen door on the D-ILA). If you really wanted to see something, you should have seen the M15 when Shawn brought over the Panamorph on the last day, not bad at all.


Still not as good as the G90. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


That's not to say that the G90 is necessarily worth the 3-4x the price of a G15, although if I had the money I would be all over it.


Oddly enough, I didn't find the 150HT in the JVC booth to be "awful," but I didn't get a good look at it. What did you see that was so disappointing?


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I don't think the Faroudja demo theatre was big enough to support a G15... If this was the same projector used at Infocomm, I believe William Phelps posted previously that it was an M15.
I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean. Do you mean in terms of throw distance? The M series projectors are just fixed-throw versions of the G series (my understanding at least).

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Obviously, a Greyhawk would have helped greatly with black level, but the theatre was already pretty dark with black surfaces, so a lot of the contrast enhancing properties of the Greyhawk are reduced (not eliminated, of course).
Good point about the positioning of the projectors. A GreyHawk for the DILA would've been nice though. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/wink.gif

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The resolution of the G90 was visibly better (depending on where you sat, I suppose). Up front the G90 had much more detail (although no screen door on the D-ILA)
Do you recall what resolution/refresh they were running each one at?

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Oddly enough, I didn't find the 150HT in the JVC booth to be "awful," but I didn't get a good look at it. What did you see that was so disappointing?
I saw some nasty vertical banding (8-bar adjustment out of whack), and the image looked out of focus (possibly a chroma delay or tracking problem). They may have adjusted it later on, but when I saw it Friday morning I thought it was awful. The poor JVC rep obviously hadn't spoken to a crowd before (they were pitching their new AV Receiver).

"Ummmm.. as you can see... ummm.... we.. umm... have some, uhh........... metal bracing... to cut down on, ummm..., ummmmmmm, ummmmm... res-o-nance." You get the idea. It was painful.


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Patrick,

I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean. Do you mean in terms of throw distance? The M series projectors are just fixed-throw versions of the G series (my understanding at least).


I guess I'm just being picky. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif The M is the mid range throw version of the G15 with a shorter zoom and optical lens shift.

A GreyHawk for the DILA would've been nice though.


For sure! Maybe Faroudja will get that going soon... I know they have used the Greyhawk before at CES (not in their demo theatre, though).

Do you recall what resolution/refresh they were running each one at?


The G90 was running at 1080p off the Faroudja 5000. Vertical limit on the M15 was running through their NR scaler at native resolution (1360*1024).


I guess I saw the JVC demo a little later, it wasn't that bad! http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif I couldn't comment on the 8-bar adjustment, but I didn't look closely enough to notice. I didn't find that the image was out of focus, did you see the DVD demo or the HDTV demo? The HDTV demo didn't look like it had any problems like that. Of course, I was in and out of the JVC booth pretty fast (so much to see!).


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The resolution of the G90 was visibly better (depending on where you sat, I suppose).

Kam Fung
I find this puzzling to the common user. I've never seen content on my G1000 that tested the resolution of the projector. Resolution has always been limited by the content.



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