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No G90 yet?


How 'bout 1st impressions for a 108x60 screen for DVD and DSS(with satelite HDTV...very little local OTA) any clear front runner between the 200DM, 250, DILA?


Or should I go back to considering a 9500LC from Hi Rez or G90 from Jasom with perhaps a Draper 2500 screen?


Picture quality comes first, but it must be "adequately" bright.


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Currently - Zenith 7" CRT, 80x60 1.3 gain screen


Soon to be - 107x60 1.3 gain...with ?Seleco 250 with Panamorph or "cheap" 9" CRT
 

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One thing I've learned there is no clear overall winner.

They all have there strong points. That's why it is best for someone to see the different technologies themselves and see what works for them.


I find crt still has the best overall pic quality but compared to a digital projector they just do not have the light output if you are planning on a larger screen.


With that said if you are going with a small screen and want the best then go crt.

If you want a larger screen you definitely will want to go digital.

On a reverse note I find crt to mask the digital compression artifacts found on dvd which would make this technology better suited for the larger screen size.


You may perceive some of the digital projectors to having better color than crt, some may have color wheel artifacts to your eye while others will not. Some digital machines will have a black level you are happy with.


Because we all see things different through our own eyes and because we all have different environment needs what may be the perfect projector for Jeff may not at all be the perfect projector for John.


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I have a theory. People who have lived with CRT's for a long time, love the brightness of digital projectors. They are really impressed with it. People who have been using digital projectors are impressed with the contrast and black level of CRT's and their softer, more film-like image. I think the newness of each projector's features leaves an indelible impression, particularly since the longer we live with our projectors, the more aware we are of their shortcomings.
 

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Luca


We sell the Vigatec dvdmax which is a moded pioneer (I hope I have the model number right)737.


It offers sdi out/ progressive component out as well as being region free.


For pricing drop us a private email.


We have also moded a couple of Panasonic baised units

and have looked into oeming these but the final cost difference when finished verses the price of the pioneer

made us think twice.


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My initial impressions so far are the blacks are the best I have scene to date on any 1 chip dlp. I do not know what they have done but if you watch something in 16x9 there is no light bleed at the top/bottom. Its black.

The unit is also very quiet and with the new rgbrgb color wheel the rainbow artifact is gone.


Anyone in the upstate NY area please give us a call and stop in.

We have a Vigatec processor fed by a dvi dvd player, HTPC, calibrated G15, Seleco HT200DM, Dwin transvision and a 42" plasma and the Sampo 16x9 direct view hdtv on display. We are driving everything with a matrix switcher so you can see the same source feeding all the units at the same time.


We will be adding some more projectors in the near future.

All but the seleco are showing on a stewart gray hawk!!


Anyone wanting to see these technologies in one location for a comparison please stop in, the best part is you get to spend some time with the AVS staff http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif

If its been a long day we can be very entertaining!



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Dear Alan


Comparing only the available Seleco's


Using a 2.1 - 2.3m wide 16:9 screen.

90% of the time watching dvd's, what Seleco model would be

the best choice at the moment:

HT250 + HTPC/progr.DVD + Panamorph

HT200DM + HTPC/progr.DVD + Panamorph

and why ?


Thanks


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I would just like to let everybody know that there is not going to be a SIM2 250DM as TI are not proposing to release the relevant drivers. All eyes will be on the 1280 x 720 product which will have a six-segment colour wheel.



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Hi Alan.


Can you tell us anything more about the 1280x720 Seleco you mentioned here??


When will it be available, and when will there be a public showing of it ???


Many thanks!!


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Alan said:

On a reverse note I find crt to mask the digital compression artifacts found on dvd which would make this technology better suited for the larger screen size.


I think that this statement could probably be restated to something more like this:


I find that non-crt projectors digital processing tends to interact with DVD's digital characteristics and this results in a higher visible level of digital artifacts which is more noticable on larger screens, precisely where we need the additional light output of the digital projector.


Unfortunately, this proves once more the old saying:


"There is no such thing as a free lunch." http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/wink.gif


I also wonder if this effect also plays where the few people that maintain that LD looks better than DVD are using other than CRT projectors?


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I guess I don't understand the excitement. I thought the Seleco HT200 was an 800 lumen SVGA projector. Similarly the HT250 was XGA. The RGBRGB color wheel is of no advantage to those in the majority who already do not perceive the rainbow artifact with RGB or RGBC color wheels. I'm one of those - seemingly have more persistance of vision than the minority that does see the rainbow.


From his description, Alan has this projector set up in an ambient-light-controlled room with a clean signal source. The forte of any DLP projector is good contrast and blacker blacks. I'll readily accept this DLP is incrementally better than those that have gone before. I appeciate a quiet machine, the extra effort and expense of a hushbox is not as necessary. But SVGA is not good enough for HDTV, still, only DVDs.


Is this a 16:9 projector? Does it have a MLA like some of the current LCDs? What am I missing?


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I guess I don't understand the excitement. I thought the Seleco HT200 was an 800 lumen SVGA projector. Similarly the HT250 was XGA. The RGBRGB color wheel is of no advantage to those in the majority who already do not perceive the rainbow artifact with RGB or RGBC color wheels. I'm one of those - seemingly have more persistance of vision than the minority that does see the rainbow.


From his description, Alan has this projector set up in an ambient-light-controlled room with a clean signal source. The forte of any DLP projector is good contrast and blacker blacks. I'll readily accept this DLP is incrementally better than those that have gone before. I appeciate a quiet machine, the extra effort and expense of a hushbox is not as necessary. But SVGA is not good enough for HDTV, still, only DVDs.


Is this a 16:9 projector? Does it have a MLA like some of the current LCDs? What am I missing?


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A dealer in San Jose told me two weeks ago today that yes, there would be a 250DM from Seleco. I questioned him carefully. He seemed very knowledgable.


Can you clarify?

 
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