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So after work today I stopped in at the Definative Audio "Home Theater Experience 9" presentation here in Seattle, not expecting to see much... Was I ever in for a surprise!


I had come looking for the Madrigal DILA D1 projector to see how it differed from a stock JVC G15. I sought this projector out first. I was immediately dissapointed to find it was in same casing with the same loud fans (though the center was painted black). I had hoped they had spent time trying to quiet it down. I sought out Robert from Madrigal and asked for a rundown of what the difference was between their DILA and the original JVC equipment. He said the primary focus was much better contrast, a minimum of 525:1, and they also carefully callibrate gamma and other functions (Dilard-ized it as far as I could tell). Scaler and assembly are identical. SRP: $28,000. Pass.


Dissapointed, I decided to see what else was there. Low and behold, the next room I wondered into had the 16:9 SharpVision DLP projector! This thing was STUNNING. Previously I had auditioned the Dwin Transvision and found that I was unfortunately very prone to the "rainbow effect" -- colors bouncing everywhere driving me crazy. The first thing I noticed about the SharpVision was that I couldn't see any rainbows. Watched two DVDs (interelaced component one animated, one live action) and a HDTV feed all fed directly into to the projector on a greyhawk screen, and only once, very very briefly (during the HDTV feed of the ABC evening news) could I find a rainbow even while really looking for them. I asked how this could be. The sharp rep (didn't get his name) said the color wheel is RGBRGB with no clearsport and spins at 2.5x the normal rate. I asked the resolution and he claimed it was native at 1360x768. I had him pause the disc so I could listen to the fan noise, very quite, but not silent. He says the fan is currently rated at 33db and they hope to have it under 24db by the time they ship in August. The slightly odd casing (about 5 inches tall, and sort of wedge shaped) is designed to reduce noise. Other neat features: There is an optical offset (adjustable with a slider on the casing) that can move the image up or down a full screen hight distance with no keystoning. The maximum throw on a 100" diag screen is about 18', but he mentioned there is a company that can make custom lenses (and as he said "they handle all our projectors, and although they haven't seen this one yet, I expect they can handle it too). I didn't get the rated contrast for the unit, but it falls somewhere in the middle of the very good DILA display and the pretty good 11HT display. Definately good enough for my needs. At one point I sat less than two feet from the screen and could not easily identify specific pixels. MSRP: $10,000, shipping to dealers at the end of august. I was very impressed.


Next I passed by the sony display, asked "is that the 10HT or the 11HT." Answer: "11HT", so I immediately took a seat. After a boring presentaion about the merits of velodyne subwoofers, I got to see the 11HT in action. 2 DVDs: the Imax Andretti disc, and Vertical Limit opening sequence, plus an HDTV sequence. I'll hand it to these guys that they have fixed most of my complaints with LCD: Contrast was much improved, could not see the screen door, overall quite good. The scaler and the new 3:2 deinterlacer (which I'm guessing is the same as the one in the new 450 trinitrons) was not spectacular. There was a fair amount of artifacting and stairstepping, especially on the non anamorphic Imax disc. There was also kindof a "sparkle" throughout the Vertical Limit sequence that was distracting, but I guess could have been from the source material. The rep also said it now supports the full native resolution on the VGA port, a big complaint of the 10HT. It was a credible $8,000 projector and much better than its predecessor which I really didn't like, but the Sharp was well worth the extra $2k in comparison.


I didn't see any of the other things they had on display, but it was a great showing for what I did see.


Did anyone else make it to the event? I'll try and answer any questions, but there was no literature availble on either the 11HT or the SharpVision, so I may come up short.


-james


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Hey James, I hadn't heard of this event. I'd like to go check it out myself. Where's it being held? Do you know if it's running through the weekend?


CRAP!! I just checked there website and the show only ran through today. Darn the luck. So James, give me some more details:


On the Sharp:

Was this the new sharp 9000?

What was the lumens rating?

What type of bulb and how many hours?

What was the video material you specifically viewed?

Is definitive going to carry the model? If so, do you think definitive will carry it at the $10K price? They're usually over priced.

How'd you like the greyhawk? Did you get a chance to compare to any other screens?

Was an outboard scaler being used?


On the Sony.

How'd they improve the screen door?

Do you think an outboard scaler's still necessary?

Any mention on the dead pixel issue? 10T seemed to have that problem.

What type of screen was the Sony shown on?


Thanks,



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James,


Few questions about the Sharp:


- this is model XV-Z9000U, right?


- have you seen / could you compare it to Sanyo 60?


thks!


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This is good news.

Regarding the one scene where you caught a glimps of the rainbow, the ABC material, what specifically was the scene like, ie. high contrast, low contrast, no contrast http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif


I am still amazed that even at this speed you could see it at all. I guess you must've REALLY been looking out for it.


Thanks in advanced,



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James you lucky guy http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif you got to see two of the most anticipated projectors that I wanted to see (11HT and Sharp 16:9 DLP).


It is disappointing to read the scaler is still disappointing on the 11HT and fully agree that for an extra $2000 the Sharp is the right purchase choice for myself.


How were the black levels on the Sharp? Lamp life for the Sharp and lamp replacement cost? Thanks for the comments on the noise of the projector as I am also after a very quiet unit and it seems that Sharp has done that.


Spero D.



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Jim, I'm sorry you missed the event. I heard there were over 20 US/world premieres of new products. Sony has a 60" LCD table-top display that's 13" deep and will sell for $11k. In answer to some of your questions:


On the Sharp:

Was this the new sharp 9000? I think so.

What was the lumens rating? 1000 with contrast of 900:1

What type of bulb and how many hours? I'm not sure.

What was the video material you specifically viewed? Tarzan and ABC HDTV clip

Is definitive going to carry the model? Early Sept, probably at $10k price point.

How'd you like the greyhawk? Did you get a chance to compare to any other screens? Didn't compare it so I'm not sure how much to attribute to the Sharp or screen.

Was an outboard scaler being used? No, DVD was connected directly to the projector.


I didn't get a chance to ask questions about the Sony, but overall I was less impressed with it than the Sharp. It looked less smooth and seemed to have lower contrast, but it still looked good overall.


As a side note, I was the most blown away by the Meridian Digital Theater 8000 system. I felt like I was sitting in front of a symphony/rock concert. The new Runco $100k DLP projector was stunning.
 

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I find it hard to believe that this machine will list at 10k. I was told 15k a few weeks ago from a dealer...there current 4:3 LCD lists for 10k, which I don't think they are stopping production on. Also, with Dwin and Seleco charging over 12k for the 4:3 XGAs, wouldn't you expect a 16:9 to be higher?

 

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In the market for a <$10K projector. When I was in CES and INFOCOMM my wife was really impressed by Seleco 250 , Sanyo 60HT and Sanyo XP45. Any one ever compared the new Sharp with Sanyo 60HT? I am putting the new sharp into my short list now.


Anyone has the schedule for the world premier event? I am in Los Angeles Area.
 

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I agree with Keith, I also thought the New Sharp dlp was to have a list of 15k? Way over budget for me!

Especially considering the prices of the Seleco 250 and the Dwin dlp's I really don't see how Sharp could offer it at a retail of 10k.


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Rep told me the 9000 would replace the DW100. VERY nice looking, but I'll take a G15 for less $.


Madrigal DILA - Pass BIGTIME. 3X the cost of my G15 and looks to me like they tweaked the contrast a bit too much. It was a bit dark.


Good eats... good event.


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Jim:
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On the Sharp:

Was this the new sharp 9000?

What was the lumens rating?

What type of bulb and how many hours?

What was the video material you specifically viewed?

Is definitive going to carry the model? If so, do you think definitive will carry it at the $10K price? They're usually over priced.

How'd you like the greyhawk? Did you get a chance to compare to any other screens?

Was an outboard scaler being used?
I didn't hear the model number, but I'm assuming it was the 9000. The DLP was definately 16:9. I'm kicking my self now about not asking specifics on the lumens rating/contrast rating and bulb life/price, I was so shocked it was even there that I didn't ask the usual array of questions. Three samples of video material. First: Tarzan on DVD (typewriter music sequence), then Vertical Limit on DVD (helicopter dropoff sequence), then OTA HDTV, the ABC evening news. The DVD player appeared to be a Rotel unit, and the host said they were using interlaced component outs directly into the projector. As for the greyhawk, I liked it a lot. This was the first time I had seen it, and the whites seemed white, which was my biggest concern.


Definitive will be carrying it, the Sharp rep said they will ship to dealers at the end of august and Definitive should have it in early september and the MSRP is $10,000.

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On the Sony.

How'd they improve the screen door?

Do you think an outboard scaler's still necessary?

Any mention on the dead pixel issue? 10T seemed to have that problem.

What type of screen was the Sony shown on?
Jeff the Sony guy was more sales then technical. Didn't say how they fixed the screen door issue, but it was evident they did something. One thing I forgot to mention about the 11HT: he mentioned they doubled the bulb life over the 10HT. Didn't mention anything about dead pixels (the display unit didn't seem to have any). Sony was also shown on a greyhawk I believe (it was definately a stewart screen...) As for an outboard scaler. I saw problems that I attributed to the internal scaler, so in my eyes yes it still needs one or a HTPC, but YMMV.
 

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Thanks for the report,


I don't think the sales guy was correct in saying the DLP resolution was 1360x768, I don't think TI makes such a chip for single panel devices. I was most likely TI's new HD1 DLP chip at 1280x720. Nonetheless, very exciting I love progress!


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Hi,


the Sharp use the new 1280x720 dmd-chip with DM3. ITS contrast is said to be 1200:1 !!!


The price info is similar to mine in Germany/Austria.


Greetings, Walter


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I want to add that Isco of Germany is working on optical attachements for this projector, which should work in direct conjunction with the serial optics.


Walter


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Hi,


All specs I have are out from the original manual at the German High End.
http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/006789.html


A 16:9 picture with a size of 87"x49" needs about 4-5,5m distance, which is ~ 157"-216".


Maybe a German friend of mine can test the Sharp in the next weeks, the Sharp guys seem interested in it - we'll see.


The contrast of the picture was indeed very good. Also I could not see any screen-door effect or rainbow from about 1,5x screen-width distance. The fan-noise is also really very low. At the time Sharp is working on the unit - it is not ready to go. But my first impressions seem to say: " Walter, that will be your projector! "


Greetings, Walter


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I wish they came out with this projector earlier. I am building my theater now and don't want to wait til September for my projector. Also, I don't want to pay 10k for it so I would have to wait for the street price to drop, and that will not happen quickly.

I did see this projector at CES, but they were secretive with it, only saying ship dates of August and price point of 15k. Obviously, they at least changed the price. I could not get good perspective of the projector since all they had was a large tent looking room with all black walls and three of four screens going with no sound. All screens except the plasma were too high to get really close to analyze.


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I wasn't so impressed by the Sharp projector. It seemed to me to be plagued by the same noisy-looking picture I've seen on other projectors using the 16:9 DLP chip.


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