[BeeMan458]

I realize that a question of this kind can easily be answered by just making the adjustment but a simple adjustment and running a demo scene expectedly won't give me the full story. I'm wondering about this question as I get fabulous bass when running at full on reference but it's doesn't rumble and roll the room the way I want at -10dB or -15dB MVC.


I'd like to be able to turn the volume down a bit and hold onto the wonderful bass I get at +/-0dB MVC.


Suggestions? Input? Need more data.


-

 

[BCRSS]

Do you have dynamic EQ turned on? That will help when volume is below reference.

 

[BeeMan458]

Thanks, DEQ is turned on. Dynamic Volume is turned off. Would that help?

 

[BCRSS]

I do not use dynamic volume. It adjust your volume for say night time listening if children are sleeping and such. At least that is my impression.


Wondering if you went into your AVR and went to speaker set up and then channel level and raised sub 1+2 by 3 dB's if that would help you some.

 

[henrich3]

It's impossible to know how powerful explosions should sound. I find it far easier to judge if the low end is boosted too much relative to higher frequencies when listening to music. 8 dB seems to be the right degree of "hotness" for my taste. Going hotter than that in the low end, depending on source material, can make the bass sound over-emphasized. The Eagles Farewell I Tour Blu-ray has reference quality audio with a solid low end. That's my favorite source for determining how hot to run.


I use 80 Hz crossover points and leave Audyssey's Dynamic EQ disabled. Using different settings for those may affect your decision on how hot to run. Dynamic EQ dynamically shifts the soundstage between the front & surround speakers based on the volume at any given moment, so that aspect of Dynamic EQ ruins the feature for me. YMMV.

 

[BCRSS]

Some good info over on the JTR thread about dynamic EQ. JTR thread about Dynamic EQ and Audyssey

 

[henrich3]

^ Craig describes what DEQ does to the EQ, but he doesn't touch on what it also does to the soundstage.

 

[BeeMan458]

Thanks guys. DEQ was already on, as has been suggested. And for the reason mentioned, (compressing the sound track, stealing dynamics in the process) Dynamic Volume (DV) has always been turned off. In the case of blu-ray movie sound tracks, I'd love to be able to get the rumble and roll of reference level playback but I'd also like to do so at -15dB to -10dB MVC.


Are my expectations out of whack by having too high of expectations? Am I just being greedy? I'd like to believe that my expectations are reasonable and not overly expecting.

 

[qguy]

+10 db = Happiness !!!

 

[basshead81]

You have enough head room just do it already...turn off all the dynamic BS, crank the subs up 6-8db and report back.

 

[DonH50]

+10 dB is a lot of boost, and requires 10 times the power relative to 0 dB. That seems excessive to me. More common is a boost of 3 dB or so, which still takes twice the power.

 

[henrich3]

When discussing matters of personal preference, all we can do is to tell you about ours. Turn up the sub channel gain until you're happy. That is the correct setting.

 

[bezlar]

I run my at 8 db hot over addsey flat. I'm in same situation as you, we listen at -15 to -20 depending on movie, anything louder is just to much in my theater. I also like to be a little bass heavy and figure they would be this loud at 0 so why not just get them there a little faster. I have come to the realization that I've been babying my subs. Not any more I'm letting them rip.

 

[ahmedreda]

I don't like the sound of Dynamic EQ. Depending on the movie, I raise sub 1+2 by 3-6 db. +10db will make it bass heavy which sounds like something you may like

Easiest way is to try. I would make sure that you have enough head room since you will be listening to reference bass while you are at -10db.

 

[Bassoholic]

Bee,

Time to add a third sub

or perhaps you might prefer a low-shelf house curve over flat response.

 

[BeeMan458]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Bassoholic  /t/1517560/what-can-i-expect-if-i-w...rs-10db-hot-over-rew-flat/0_100#post_24350700


Bee,

Time to add a third sub

or perhaps you might prefer a low-shelf house curve over flat response.

Don't think a third sub would help as my understanding a third sub adds about 3dB and not much more but does help with smoothing issues.


Can you describe what a "low-shelf house curve" is?

 

[bear123]


Hey Bee, I am sorry to mention something that may sound insulting, but sometimes the little things can get overlooked.  When you calibrate(d) your system for reference level listening, did you do so with Dynamic EQ off or on?  I am thinking, if you did so with it on, then you are not getting the low volume boost that you should, since you have it calibrated that way.

 

If however, you have things calibrated with this feature off, then of course you should be getting a substantial bass boost at lower volumes.

 

Maybe Dyn EQ does not boost as much as Yamaha's version does, but Yamaha version offers a very noticeable and substantial boost for bass at lower volumes.

 

[Brian Fineberg]

I have mine with dynEQ on and at -20 I still get plenty of tactile feel. It's a great tool IMHO

 

[BeeMan458]



Quote:
Originally Posted by bear123  /t/1517560/what-can-i-expect-if-i-w...rs-10db-hot-over-rew-flat/0_100#post_24353770


Hey Bee, I am sorry to mention something that may sound insulting, but sometimes the little things can get overlooked.  When you calibrate(d) your system for reference level listening, did you do so with Dynamic EQ off or on?

Thanks for the thought. Audyssey neuters all settings and from measurements, recommends settings to the AVR. At the end of the calibration process, Audyssey goes so far as to ask if the user would like DEQ to be turned on or left off.


Currently, with bass being run +10dB hot and the volume being turned down -10dB, sound comes across as one would expect sound, to sound. Just finished watching the last few scenes in "Unstoppable." Very nice. Dialogue runs about 75dB to 92dB and bass runs up between 100dB and 111.0dB. This is the sweetest balance I've had so far. I haven't listened to cable broadcast but I'm sure I'll have to dial it back down for regular programming.


I've listened to three movies now ("Getaway," "FOTP" and "Unstoppable") and all the results were the same: excellent.

 

[Vishwa Somayaji]

It doesn't matter whether dynamic eq was on or off. When the calibration is done, the program takes care of it and turns off everything and then at the end gives a choice of turning it on or off. However, according to Chris at Audyssey, you are not supposed to be able to turn on dyn.eq without audyssey. Onkyo somehow allows it while others don't.