[boe]

Hello,

I currently have an older Sony 4K TV. I've been waiting for the 2020 OLEDS before my next upgrade to a bigger TV with better contrast and HDR and possibly 8K if I get an 80" or bigger. I don't know if this is marketing hyper or real but this guy sounds like he's talking about something much more like individual lighting like OLED (although it is back lighting). I haven't heard anything from Sony or Samsung about anything other than large zone lighting like they have now but I admit it has been a while since I've even looked at LCD tech.

If anyone has any info positive or negative about this tech I'd like to know more. I got my Sony because of the better motion (which IMHO it still looks better motion wise than the newest LG OLED) so I'd be curious if Sony has anything like this in the works or if it is just marketing fake tech. If it is the real deal it might get me to keep with LCD tech.

I found a video by Vincent (one of my favorite reviewers) and he mentioned that the TCL won't individually control the brightness on each of the thousands so it probably won't be what I was hoping for initially. He did say the TV looked pretty good though.

 

[phaet2112]

Vincent Teoh has done several videos with the head engineer from TCL over this past year which have gone into the mini LED tech. It is real, it will be here for black friday- micro individual LEDs by Sony are two years off at the least. Whether they ever release it is also unknown, much like Samsung may also abandon LEDs and go OLED. At least Vincent has videos with the TV itself and not just hype videos.

 

[fatuglyguy]

It is real and it looks very promising. They say it has 1,000 zones with each containing around 25 mini LEDs. Not anywhere near the pixel-level control of something like an OLED, but more dimming zones than any other LED TV currently available.

Now for the unpopular opinion: I'm sure it will be a great performer, but I am not convinced that TCL will be the one to "do it," espeically with a first-generation product. You have to keep in mind that AVS has the tendency to hype a product before it comes out, then there's a honeymoon period as members start to purchase them, then the flaws and pro reviews begin to show up and people recommend them with caveats and the hype dies down. Read the thread now and you'll get the impression that it's the end-all, be-all, only LCD to get. The fact is, nobody's owned or seen a production unit yet so it's really up in the air.

The pressure is good and will definitely force Samsung and Sony to up their game (if not lower their prices).

 

[8mile13]

The name says it all. Not normal sized leds but tiny ''mini'' leds. Some info on miniLED.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-...5184-auo-mini-led-gaming-monitors-panels.html

It could turn any FALD into a ZD9. Since the leds are tiny a number of miniLEDs fits into one normal sized led which makes it comparable to a ZD9 in which each LED is a zone. Also the number of zones can be increased to thousands of zones.

Samsung tried to launch a 85'' Q9S miniLED LCD but it turned out to be to expensive according Samsung. They claimed it had more than 10,000 zones which they called ''Micro Full Array''. It was suppost to be their 2018 Flagship.


This miniLED thing is just starting, that is the main reason to be cautious...

 

[picturequality]

The name says it all. Not normal sized leds but tiny ''mini'' leds. Some info on miniLED.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-...5184-auo-mini-led-gaming-monitors-panels.html

It could turn any FALD into a ZD9. Since the leds are tiny a number of miniLEDs fits into one normal sized led which makes it comparable to a ZD9 in which each LED is a zone. Also the number of zones can be increased to thousands of zones.

Samsung tried to launch a 85'' Q9S miniLED LCD but it turned out to be to expensive according Samsung. They claimed it had more than 10,000 zones which they called ''Micro Full Array''. It was suppost to be their 2018 Flagship.


This miniLED thing is just starting, that is the main reason to be cautious...

I think samsung is planning to launch quantum oled tvs I have seen a few articles around promoting the concept.

 

[Panson]

Hello,

I currently have an older Sony 4K TV. I've been waiting for the 2020 OLEDS before my next upgrade to a bigger TV with better contrast and HDR and possibly 8K if I get an 80" or bigger. I don't know if this is marketing hyper or real but this guy sounds like he's talking about something much more like individual lighting like OLED (although it is back lighting). I haven't heard anything from Sony or Samsung about anything other than large zone lighting like they have now but I admit it has been a while since I've even looked at LCD tech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzOu4Gs9_UU

If anyone has any info positive or negative about this tech I'd like to know more. I got my Sony because of the better motion (which IMHO it still looks better motion wise than the newest LG OLED) so I'd be curious if Sony has anything like this in the works or if it is just marketing fake tech. If it is the real deal it might get me to keep with LCD tech.

I found a video by Vincent (one of my favorite reviewers) and he mentioned that the TCL won't individually control the brightness on each of the thousands so it probably won't be what I was hoping for initially. He did say the TV looked pretty good though.

Still 60Hz native refresh rate, right? TCL 120Hz CMI (Clear Motion Index) = 60 Hz.

Related:

https://www.tcl.com/products/home-theater/8-series

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/fak...otion-rate-vs-sony-motionflow-vs-lg-trumotion

 

[8mile13]

I think samsung is planning to launch quantum oled tvs I have seen a few articles around promoting the concept.

That does not look good at this point.

Take a look at up to date on Samsung QD OLED plans post #15938 from fafrd
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-o...d-tvs-technology-advancements-thread-532.html

 

[PUNKem 733]

Still 60Hz native refresh rate, right? TCL 120Hz CMI (Clear Motion Index) = 60 Hz.

Related:

https://www.tcl.com/products/home-theater/8-series

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/fak...otion-rate-vs-sony-motionflow-vs-lg-trumotion

They're 120 native panels

These 8-Series TVs also feature 120 Hz (native) panels.

 

[Panson]

They're 120 native panels

TCL website says 120Hz CMI for 8-series. No distinction from 4, 5, 6-series.

https://www.tclusa.com/products/home-theater/8-series

 

[PUNKem 733]

TCL website says 120Hz CMI for 8-series. No distinction from 4, 5, 6-series.

https://www.tclusa.com/products/home-theater/8-series

Doesn't make sense to put this kind of tech in the world's first miniled LCD to put it on 60Hz. On top of the fact TCL told two different people (including imagic) that the 8 series will be 120Hz.

 

[Nouniard]

TCL website says 120Hz CMI for 8-series. No distinction from 4, 5, 6-series.

https://www.tclusa.com/products/home-theater/8-series

The website is likely wrong as it's already been confirmed directly with TCL that the 8-series has 120Hz panels. It's not uncommon for sites to have erroneous information. The "120Hz CMI" was likely copied and pasted. As a reminder, the original price listed on the site for the 75" was $2499...it too was wrong and was later corrected to $2999.

 

[Panson]

Doesn't make sense to put this kind of tech in the world's first miniled LCD to put it on 60Hz. On top of the fact TCL told two different people (including imagic) that the 8 series will be 120Hz.

A clumsy "pre-launch", to say the least.

See post 212 on AVS thread linked. My sentiments also. Cheers.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-...6-series-qled-tvs-pricing-availability-8.html

 

[Panson]

The website is likely wrong as it's already been confirmed directly with TCL that the 8-series has 120Hz panels. It's not uncommon for sites to have erroneous information. The "120Hz CMI" was likely copied and pasted. As a reminder, the original price listed on the site for the 75" was $2499...it too was wrong and was later corrected to $2999.

You are correct, and they should keep correcting as needed in a prompt manner. Clumsy.