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What does PLII do with DD 5.1 sources?

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Hi, I have a Sony HTD-DW995 system. If I set the receiver to a PLII mode, does that override the discreet channels from a DD 5.1 source or will it know that it's getting DD 5.1 and play those channels instead of using the matrix decoder? The receiver recognizes DD 5.1 sources in PLII mode but I can't tell if it's playing them correctly or if it's just mixing the channels like it does with a stereo source. Ideally I want to be able to leave it alone and have it automatically switch between DD 5.1 and PLII depending on the content, which would only be possible if the PLII mode correctly plays DD 5.1 sources. I did quite a bit of searching but didn't come up with much, so any advice would be appreciated
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Come to think of it, I'm about to try the THX Optimizer this weekend... will the audio calibration portion of that play some kind of test tone on discreet channels? If so I guess that would answer my question, if it's coming out of the right speakers even with the receiver in PLII mode I guess it does recognize DD 5.1...
If you mean Dolby Pro Logic IIx, it can produce a 7.1 soundfield from two or 5.1 sources.


Dolby Pro Logic II, the predecessor, didn't have that capability. Dolby's webpage explains what each technology does (not very well though, also try wikipedia.)
Hey, it's a 5.1 receiver so it's not PLIIx. I'm just trying to figure out if PLII mode will play the 5.1 discreet channels from a DD 5.1 source instead of mashing them together in some way. Basically I want 5.1 output all the time, but I want the real 5.1 audio played when it exists. I can definitely just change the input mode on the receiver but I'd rather just leave it on PLII as long as I'm not losing the discreet DD channels by doing that when there's a DD 5.1 source.
I don't know how that works. But if you listen when you switch DPLII on and off, you should be able to tell if there's a difference. If I understand you right, there should be no difference.


My understanding was that DPLII was designed for two channel sources. So I don't know what it would do, if anything, with a 5.1 source.

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Hey, it's a 5.1 receiver so it's not PLIIx. I'm just trying to figure out if PLII mode will play the 5.1 discreet channels from a DD 5.1 source instead of mashing them together in some way. Basically I want 5.1 output all the time, but I want the real 5.1 audio played when it exists. I can definitely just change the input mode on the receiver but I'd rather just leave it on PLII as long as I'm not losing the discreet DD channels by doing that when there's a DD 5.1 source.

Sounds like your AVR is at least 5 years old before DPL2X was introduced..

If your AVR has Dolby Digital and the incoming signal is Dolby Digital 5.1 the PL2 does nothing..

But if the signal is stereo or Dolby Digital 2.0 then DPL2 will give you a surround field output but the L/R surrounds are the same (Mono)..


Hope that helps your understanding..
Hi M


The receiver is brand new (in fact I'm doing this audio processing over HDMI) but Pro Logic IIx is only for 7.1 setups and this receiver is only 5.1, hence it doesn't come with it. I think you're confusing Pro Logic II with Pro Logic. Pro Logic is the one that has a mono surround channel. Pro Logic II does full 5.1.


That did answer my question though (PLII does nothing to DD 5.1 sources). Thanks
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I could be wrong but I don't think DPL2 can be applied to DD5.1 on a 5.1 receiver. DPL2 can only be applied if the source has only 2 or 3 front channels (plus maybe a mono surround channel).

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I could be wrong but I don't think DPL2 can be applied to DD5.1 on a 5.1 receiver. DPL2 can only be applied if the source has only 2 or 3 front channels (plus maybe a mono surround channel).

I believe this is correct as well. To the OP, I would expect if you have PL2 applied to a 2 channel source and then switch to a 5 channel source that your receiver automatically switches to DD or straight or something to that regard.

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I could be wrong but I don't think DPL2 can be applied to DD5.1 on a 5.1 receiver. DPL2 can only be applied if the source has only 2 or 3 front channels (plus maybe a mono surround channel).

The first part is correct - Dolby PL II should not even show up as an option if the source is DD 5.1 or DD 5.0.


But Dolby PL II cannot be applied to 3.x or 4.x material.


Ed

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If I set the receiver to a PLII mode, does that override the discreet channels from a DD 5.1 source or will it know that it's getting DD 5.1 and play those channels instead of using the matrix decoder?

Yes. PLII is surround processing that scales 2-channel material to 5 speakers. As such, it can't be applied to 5.1 sources. (What would it do? Convert 5.1 to ...5.1?)


If you set your receiver to PLII mode, it will pop out of that mode when it receives a discrete 5.1 signal (DD, DTS or PCM). It should go back to PLII when you switch back over to a 2-channel source (CD, TV, etc).


Sanjay

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Hi M


The receiver is brand new (in fact I'm doing this audio processing over HDMI) but Pro Logic IIx is only for 7.1 setups and this receiver is only 5.1, hence it doesn't come with it. I think you're confusing Pro Logic II with Pro Logic. Pro Logic is the one that has a mono surround channel. Pro Logic II does full 5.1.


That did answer my question though (PLII does nothing to DD 5.1 sources). Thanks

Here is a further explanation of the various Dolby modes..



What's the difference between Pro Logic, Pro Logic II, and Dolby Digital 5.1 Decoding?


Dolby Pro Logic is a matrix decoder that decodes the four channels of surround sound from a Dolby Matrix encoded stereo track, such as VHS HiFi tapes, Stereo CDs, and some TV shows. Dolby Surround is a matrix encoding process that in essence combines the Left, Center, Right, and Surround channels onto a single stereo track. A Pro Logic decoder then extracts the four channels on playback. If you listen to a Dolby Encoded soundtrack on a normal stereo system you may notice some sounds appearing to come from beyond the speakers or even from behind you. Dolby Pro Logic II is an advanced matrix decoder that derives five-channel surround (Left, Center, Right, Left Surround, and Right Surround) from any stereo track. It works on any file even if it hasn't been encoded in the Pro Logic II format. On encoded material such as movie soundtracks, the sound is more like Dolby Digital 5.1, while on unencoded stereo material such as music CDs the effect is a wider, more involving soundfield. Among other improvements over Pro Logic, Pro Logic II provides two full-range surround channels, as opposed to Pro Logic's single, limited-bandwidth surround channel. Dolby Digital 5.1 is the latest in multi-channel delivery. 5.1-channel soundtracks can be heard on most movies either on DVDs or in theatres. Dolby Digital 5.1 is also being offered through Window Media 9, digital cable, digital broadcast TV (DTV), and satellite transmissions.

Dolby Digital is just that: Digital. It needs to be decoded by a Dolby Digital Decoder. It does not use the same Dolby Surround encode/Pro Logic decode process. Though you can listen to Dolby Digital 5.1 Encoded soundtracks in Dolby Pro Logic via the analog outputs on most DVD Players. Dolby Digital 5.1 is a discrete system that keeps the multiple channels fully separated throughout the encoding and decoding processes. In addition to having full-range Left, Center, Right, Left Surround, and Right Surround channels, Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtracks carry a sixth (.1) channel recorded with low-frequency effects.
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Thanks guys, that confirms it and answers my question, the receiver will automatically switch to DD mode
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