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I'm interested in hearing from owners of Pioneer 5070/71 (and similar Pioneer panels) what DVD players you are using and what do you think of the picture quality on the Pio via that DVD player.
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What DVD player do you use with Pioneer 5070/71 and what do you think of it?
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I actually just purchased a 5070 today and I was sitting here thinking about this same question so I'd love to know too.
I believe the consensus on this is the Oppo 970 is one of the best choices for the 5070.
The reason is because this is one of the very few players that can send 480i over HDMI. This means the panel deinterlaces and scales the picture up to it's native. Sending 480i is best for two reasons:
#1 The panel is 768p, so any input from an upscaling player (that will output 720p or 1080i) will be scaled a second time. Less processing = better in general.
#2 The Pioneer's scalers and especially de-interlacers are very, very good - in general better than the average upscaling DVD player.
So sending 480i over HDMI will reduce the processing to one step, by what is most likely the better processor and going through a digital link means there won't be any degredation of the original signal, it should basically be like the TV reading the disc directly.
A few people have differing opinions, but this is the general consensus with regards to a DVD player on this particular panel.
The reason is because this is one of the very few players that can send 480i over HDMI. This means the panel deinterlaces and scales the picture up to it's native. Sending 480i is best for two reasons:
#1 The panel is 768p, so any input from an upscaling player (that will output 720p or 1080i) will be scaled a second time. Less processing = better in general.
#2 The Pioneer's scalers and especially de-interlacers are very, very good - in general better than the average upscaling DVD player.
So sending 480i over HDMI will reduce the processing to one step, by what is most likely the better processor and going through a digital link means there won't be any degredation of the original signal, it should basically be like the TV reading the disc directly.
A few people have differing opinions, but this is the general consensus with regards to a DVD player on this particular panel.
But I would second the Oppo 970 and it's ability to trasmit 480i. My research led me to that same conclusion.
On a related note, I have actually decided that when the TV comes I am going HD-DVD, so I will let you know how that works, I have heard that is a very nice combo as well.
But I would second the Oppo 970 and it's ability to trasmit 480i. My research led me to that same conclusion.
On a related note, I have actually decided that when the TV comes I am going HD-DVD, so I will let you know how that works, I have heard that is a very nice combo as well.
I have the oppo970 with my 5071HD, and am passing 480i via HDMI...outstanding picture quality. I love the player and think it is the perfect match for the pioneer. Nothing else in its price range will pass 480i via HDMI without massaging the signal.
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Thinking of getting the 4270 in the next couple months...but with DVD Recorders so cheap was thinking of getting one of those.
Any recommendations on a good DVD Recorder that would be my primary DVD player as well?
What do I need to look for...480i with HDMI?
Anything else?
Any recommendations on a good DVD Recorder that would be my primary DVD player as well?
What do I need to look for...480i with HDMI?
Anything else?
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Thanks for the suggestions.
Any other suggestions from 5070/71 or 6070/71 owners?
Any other suggestions from 5070/71 or 6070/71 owners?
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I've heard the Toshiba HD DVD players top even the Oppo for SD DVD playback
...So that's a good option for an extra Benjamin or two. Plus you can play HD DVD's.
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So that would be my choice if I could do it all over again.
I'd probably pass on the Oppo. Last time I checked the A2 was around $379
and you could get 3 free HD DVD's, which really narrows the price gap
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I'm currently using my XBOX 360 for HD DVD's and the add-on player's PQ is great,
just hasn't got any of the new HD Audio capabilities that the Toshiba's offer.
I have not tried an Oppo,
but have had Sony and Yamaha Progressive scan DVD players
a Pioneer Up-Converter, XBOX 360 and most recently my PS3
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...So that's a good option for an extra Benjamin or two. Plus you can play HD DVD's.
So that would be my choice if I could do it all over again.
I'd probably pass on the Oppo. Last time I checked the A2 was around $379
and you could get 3 free HD DVD's, which really narrows the price gap
I'm currently using my XBOX 360 for HD DVD's and the add-on player's PQ is great,
just hasn't got any of the new HD Audio capabilities that the Toshiba's offer.
I have not tried an Oppo,
but have had Sony and Yamaha Progressive scan DVD players
a Pioneer Up-Converter, XBOX 360 and most recently my PS3
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I have the Oppo 970 and although I use it mostly for music, SACD and DVD-A, it has an outstanding SD picture. I use the Toshiba HD-A1 for DVD's most of the time.
I have the Oppo 970 and although I use it mostly for music, SACD and DVD-A, it has an outstanding SD picture. I use the Toshiba HD-A1 for DVD's most of the time.
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Thanks for the good information. I ordered the Oppo 970. I refuse to touch the HD/BR stuff until all of that is sorted out, or until I get a 360.
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On my Pio 6071 I have had the Toshiba HD-DVD A1 for the last 6 months or so, and a few days ago I just got the new A2 player.
The HD-DVD on my 60 inch Pioneer is jaw droping to say the very least, sometimes I cant even pay attention to the movie as I tend to get caught up in how amazing the picture is,,,, HD disc with an HD player on a Pio 60 incher,, WOW !!!
Also, HD-DVD looks way way better than HD cable
I have never seen the Oppo player (Im sure its good), I do how ever have the Samsung up-converting player and the HD-DVD player blows it away, not even a contest.
The HD-DVD player up-converts rather nicely but the bottom line is once you watch a HD disc it is so very hard to watch any SD DVD, even an up-converted one on the HD player.
Get the new Toshiba A2 player and you will never leave the house, except to buy more HD-DVD's.
Davyo
The HD-DVD on my 60 inch Pioneer is jaw droping to say the very least, sometimes I cant even pay attention to the movie as I tend to get caught up in how amazing the picture is,,,, HD disc with an HD player on a Pio 60 incher,, WOW !!!
Also, HD-DVD looks way way better than HD cable
I have never seen the Oppo player (Im sure its good), I do how ever have the Samsung up-converting player and the HD-DVD player blows it away, not even a contest.
The HD-DVD player up-converts rather nicely but the bottom line is once you watch a HD disc it is so very hard to watch any SD DVD, even an up-converted one on the HD player.
Get the new Toshiba A2 player and you will never leave the house, except to buy more HD-DVD's.
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Hummmm,, I fail to see why a anyone would order the Oppo, its been posted more than a few times in this forum that the HD-DVD up-converts a SD DVD better than the Oppo if not just as well.
With the HD DVD player you get to up-convert and be able to watch HD DVD's with the Oppo all is you get is the up-conversion, that does not make to much sense to me.
As far as refusing to touch the HD/BR until the dust settles in the format war, that is too bad, you are missing a jaw dropping video experience.
Davyo
Hummmm,, I fail to see why a anyone would order the Oppo, its been posted more than a few times in this forum that the HD-DVD up-converts a SD DVD better than the Oppo if not just as well.
With the HD DVD player you get to up-convert and be able to watch HD DVD's with the Oppo all is you get is the up-conversion, that does not make to much sense to me.
As far as refusing to touch the HD/BR until the dust settles in the format war, that is too bad, you are missing a jaw dropping video experience.
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I'd definitely agree. I started with my HD-a1 for SD-DVDs and got tired of not getting the most hd out of my 5070 so I also got a BDP-S1 blu ray player. I tend to lean slightly toward the BDP-S1's ability to output 480i over HDMI for SD DVDs over the HD-A1's upconverting ability. Of course it's all moot when I pop in a HD DVD or Blu ray disc because they absolutely blow your socks off compared to anything else
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I'd definitely agree. I started with my HD-a1 for SD-DVDs and got tired of not getting the most hd out of my 5070 so I also got a BDP-S1 blu ray player. I tend to lean slightly toward the BDP-S1's ability to output 480i over HDMI for SD DVDs over the HD-A1's upconverting ability. Of course it's all moot when I pop in a HD DVD or Blu ray disc because they absolutely blow your socks off compared to anything else
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I went with the Oppo 970 as well. While I agree, the Oppo upconverting is not as good as the Pio 6070, the Oppo is much better at 480i than my old philips DVD player, and it didn't cost 400 or more for a format that may or may not be around in a year or two. I'll wait till the war is over, and then go HD...maybe. The DVD's look great out of the oppo.
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Actually its not costing $400.00 or more dollars as you stated.
An Oppo player is average between $200.00 and $240.00, the new Toshiba HD-DVD A2 player can be had for $379.00 that would be a differance of between $139.00 to as high as $179.00.
It seems odd that someone would spend all that money on a nice plasma but not see the advantage of spending an extra 139.00 dollars to be able to up-convert better AND be able to play HD-DVDs as well.
As far as who wins the format wars your going to wait a year or two to save a $139.00,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and you will go HD "maybe",,,,,,,,,, OK, never mind,,,,,, I will just stop typing now.
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Actually its not costing $400.00 or more dollars as you stated.
An Oppo player is average between $200.00 and $240.00, the new Toshiba HD-DVD A2 player can be had for $379.00 that would be a differance of between $139.00 to as high as $179.00.
It seems odd that someone would spend all that money on a nice plasma but not see the advantage of spending an extra 139.00 dollars to be able to up-convert better AND be able to play HD-DVDs as well.
As far as who wins the format wars your going to wait a year or two to save a $139.00,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and you will go HD "maybe",,,,,,,,,, OK, never mind,,,,,, I will just stop typing now.
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davyo,
You got that right, I dont know if the Toshiba deal is still on, but right around xmas,
if you purchased a new HD DVD player they threw in *3 HD DVD's (about $75 value)
making the spread between the Oppo about $60-$100...and talk about supporting a dying technology
...SD DVD is just that! Why invest another $240 in the future 8-track player of digital video devices...specially if you already have a DVD player.
I dont get the whole "wait and see" on the HD format war thing either,
both technologies are going to be around for at least a couple more years.
The losing format (if there ever is a loser) will still work after the war is over,
and if you get an A2, it willl still play your HD DVD's as well as upconvert SD DVD's,
if you get a PS3 it will continue to play Blu Ray movies in addition to being a gaming console and a web browser for your TV.
...Not to mention there are close to 400 titles combined in HD/BD right now,
likely to be another 400 within the next 1-2 years.
PS3=$500
A2-$380
That gives you a Total HD package and upconverter and game console
for less than $900. Even if both technologies die a horrible death after 2 years
you only paid $1.23/day...less than most people pay for cable
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If both technologies survive for 3 years or more, the price per day gets even lower.
* Yes, the Toshiba 3 free HD DVD deal is still on:
http://web1.toshiba.ca/toshibahddvd/completeHDoffer.php
...Expires Feb.28/07...at least in Canada, not sure about the US
You got that right, I dont know if the Toshiba deal is still on, but right around xmas,
if you purchased a new HD DVD player they threw in *3 HD DVD's (about $75 value)
making the spread between the Oppo about $60-$100...and talk about supporting a dying technology
...SD DVD is just that! Why invest another $240 in the future 8-track player of digital video devices...specially if you already have a DVD player.
I dont get the whole "wait and see" on the HD format war thing either,
both technologies are going to be around for at least a couple more years.
The losing format (if there ever is a loser) will still work after the war is over,
and if you get an A2, it willl still play your HD DVD's as well as upconvert SD DVD's,
if you get a PS3 it will continue to play Blu Ray movies in addition to being a gaming console and a web browser for your TV.
...Not to mention there are close to 400 titles combined in HD/BD right now,
likely to be another 400 within the next 1-2 years.
PS3=$500
A2-$380
That gives you a Total HD package and upconverter and game console
for less than $900. Even if both technologies die a horrible death after 2 years
you only paid $1.23/day...less than most people pay for cable
If both technologies survive for 3 years or more, the price per day gets even lower.
* Yes, the Toshiba 3 free HD DVD deal is still on:
http://web1.toshiba.ca/toshibahddvd/completeHDoffer.php
...Expires Feb.28/07...at least in Canada, not sure about the US
Well, you did forget 1 important fact...the cost for HD-DVD and BR does not just stop there...now you have to buy or rent movies...it is like the little guy in Ice Age 2...he puts a finger in a leak on the damn to plug it and another leak pops a few inches away. To many people $1000 is a lot of money, so buying a $175 dollar DVD player, (shipped), is going to be much easier on their budjet short term, and likely hold them over until the new technology comes down in the future.
For me, the main reason for waiting is the stupid studios. If they didn't pull that exclusive content crap, I would be more than happy to support one or the other. I really don't want 2 additional components on my rack unless I have to, so for me it is much better to hold off until price drops occur, or studios start supporting both formats completely.
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That gives you a Total HD package and upconverter and game console
for less than $900. Even if both technologies die a horrible death after 2 years
you only paid $1.23/day...less than most people pay for cable![]()
Well, you did forget 1 important fact...the cost for HD-DVD and BR does not just stop there...now you have to buy or rent movies...it is like the little guy in Ice Age 2...he puts a finger in a leak on the damn to plug it and another leak pops a few inches away. To many people $1000 is a lot of money, so buying a $175 dollar DVD player, (shipped), is going to be much easier on their budjet short term, and likely hold them over until the new technology comes down in the future.
For me, the main reason for waiting is the stupid studios. If they didn't pull that exclusive content crap, I would be more than happy to support one or the other. I really don't want 2 additional components on my rack unless I have to, so for me it is much better to hold off until price drops occur, or studios start supporting both formats completely.
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Oh, sorry
Where is it that your are buying/renting SD DVD's for free?
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Blu Ray's and HD DVD's can be had for the same cost as many SD DVD new releases these days, and rental prices at Block Buster here are no different
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I still believe you're getting a superior SD DVD player with the Toshiba,
and for $60-$100 more than an Oppo...an almost free HD DVD player
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Oh, sorry
Where is it that your are buying/renting SD DVD's for free?
Blu Ray's and HD DVD's can be had for the same cost as many SD DVD new releases these days, and rental prices at Block Buster here are no different
I still believe you're getting a superior SD DVD player with the Toshiba,
and for $60-$100 more than an Oppo...an almost free HD DVD player
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