What ever happened to the JVC 3010Z?
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Hi John,
Welcome to the forum...nice to have the help here.
Just beware, they do get on you here now and then for having a life... http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
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Tom Stites
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JVC Professional Products
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Welcome to the forum...nice to have the help here.
Just beware, they do get on you here now and then for having a life... http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
Regards,
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Tom Stites
Director, Business Development
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JVC Professional Products
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Tom of JVC,
Why dosen't JVC just come out with a quieter, UHP blub version of the G-15? That would be good for business sales and for HT.
Christopher
Why dosen't JVC just come out with a quieter, UHP blub version of the G-15? That would be good for business sales and for HT.
Christopher
Christopher,
Changing from one lamp design to another is not as easy as it might first seem. Different lamp designs have different optical system requirements as well as requiring a much different power supply.
Changing to a UHP lamp from Xenon would require a substantial redesign of the light collection system and changes to the dichroics because of different spectral characteristics.
Essentially we were doing two things with the 3010...providing a more compact, more affordable projector but with a bit lower performance in some respects...mainly contrast ratio. The new single PBS design never was able to be refined to the level to meet the original design goals of the 3010z.
In some of my comments last year I stated that I didn't think the newer low price D-ILA designs would meet the performance level of the current units. I still stand by that opinion. D-ILA will be primarily a high-end technology, not a mid to low price technology as with 1-chip DLP and LCD.
We will obviously have an entry level model that will suit many markets that are looking for high-res and lower cost but whether it's right for HT remains to be seen.
It is just my own opinion but I think we should stick with Xenon and maintain our colorimetry advantage, price be damned. In many of the markets where we are successful right now, colorimetry is a key issue.
There are a number of useability issues that we must address for the HT market...some things like improved scalers and the ability to map 4:3 material into a 16:9 screen area have been incorporated into the new M2000 and will follow in other models as we move forward.
You won't find pushrod V8's in a Mercedes or Lexus and with any luck, you won't find UHP in our mid to high-end D-ILA projectors.
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Tom Stites
Director, Business Development
Digital Systems Division
JVC Professional Products
"My opinions do not necessarily reflect..."
Changing from one lamp design to another is not as easy as it might first seem. Different lamp designs have different optical system requirements as well as requiring a much different power supply.
Changing to a UHP lamp from Xenon would require a substantial redesign of the light collection system and changes to the dichroics because of different spectral characteristics.
Essentially we were doing two things with the 3010...providing a more compact, more affordable projector but with a bit lower performance in some respects...mainly contrast ratio. The new single PBS design never was able to be refined to the level to meet the original design goals of the 3010z.
In some of my comments last year I stated that I didn't think the newer low price D-ILA designs would meet the performance level of the current units. I still stand by that opinion. D-ILA will be primarily a high-end technology, not a mid to low price technology as with 1-chip DLP and LCD.
We will obviously have an entry level model that will suit many markets that are looking for high-res and lower cost but whether it's right for HT remains to be seen.
It is just my own opinion but I think we should stick with Xenon and maintain our colorimetry advantage, price be damned. In many of the markets where we are successful right now, colorimetry is a key issue.
There are a number of useability issues that we must address for the HT market...some things like improved scalers and the ability to map 4:3 material into a 16:9 screen area have been incorporated into the new M2000 and will follow in other models as we move forward.
You won't find pushrod V8's in a Mercedes or Lexus and with any luck, you won't find UHP in our mid to high-end D-ILA projectors.
Regards,
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Tom Stites
Director, Business Development
Digital Systems Division
JVC Professional Products
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The DLA-G3010ZG is already shipping in Europe (under its original name). The brightness rating is back to 1300 lumens. Unfortunately the contrast issue is, well, ...still an issue. There just isn't enough of it.
The G3010 has the typical UHP look. I believe it is possible to get reasonable colors from a UHP bulb if you are willing to sacrifice brightness and contrast. The latter is not really an option with this unit.
It also does have the smooth D-ILA look. JVC describes it as 'silk smooth', which is an accurate description imo. Very nice.
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I am very sorry to read this - like many others I was hoping for an affordable 'killer' HT D-ILA projector. It surely is the superior technology.
Holger
The G3010 has the typical UHP look. I believe it is possible to get reasonable colors from a UHP bulb if you are willing to sacrifice brightness and contrast. The latter is not really an option with this unit.
It also does have the smooth D-ILA look. JVC describes it as 'silk smooth', which is an accurate description imo. Very nice.
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| Originally posted by tstites: We will obviously have an entry level model that will suit many markets that are looking for high-res and lower cost but whether it's right for HT remains to be seen. |
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Holger,
I think that the used G10/G11 market may be what you are looking for. I suppose that a new G15 might work, but that wound depend on your definition of "affordable" http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/biggrin.gif .
| like many others I was hoping for an affordable 'killer' HT D-ILA projector. It surely is the superior technology |
I think that the used G10/G11 market may be what you are looking for. I suppose that a new G15 might work, but that wound depend on your definition of "affordable" http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/biggrin.gif .
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Tom,
Nice to see you back! I'd like a big round of thanks to go to Jim Taylor, who always provided informative and challenging remarks while he visited the forum, albeit some of which not always so graciously rebutted, like in the infamous bulb price thread. I still sincerely wish him well in his new endeavour.
On another note, my G-11 has suddenly developed two always stuck-on red/purplish pixels, one above the screen area and the other just left of center. It was perfect until it happened out of the blue at or about 150hrs of lamp use. I am at a loss coming up with ideas as to what the cause may have been. Could you please share your insight on this disturbing and annoying phenomenon?
Thanks,
Luca
Nice to see you back! I'd like a big round of thanks to go to Jim Taylor, who always provided informative and challenging remarks while he visited the forum, albeit some of which not always so graciously rebutted, like in the infamous bulb price thread. I still sincerely wish him well in his new endeavour.
On another note, my G-11 has suddenly developed two always stuck-on red/purplish pixels, one above the screen area and the other just left of center. It was perfect until it happened out of the blue at or about 150hrs of lamp use. I am at a loss coming up with ideas as to what the cause may have been. Could you please share your insight on this disturbing and annoying phenomenon?
Thanks,
Luca
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Director, Business Development
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Is JVC doing research into radical new bulb designs, like the microwave driven sulphur bulb? That technology has the potential for producing a 20,000 hour plus bulb life combined with ultra high efficiency and better than Zenon colorimetry. It might be possible to produce a 4,000 lumen projector that uses a 200 watt sulphur bulb that runs cool.
Christopher
| Originally posted by tstites: "It is just my own opinion but I think we should stick with Xenon and maintain our colorimetry advantage, price be damned." |
Director, Business Development
Digital Systems Division
JVC Professional Products
Is JVC doing research into radical new bulb designs, like the microwave driven sulphur bulb? That technology has the potential for producing a 20,000 hour plus bulb life combined with ultra high efficiency and better than Zenon colorimetry. It might be possible to produce a 4,000 lumen projector that uses a 200 watt sulphur bulb that runs cool.
Christopher
I hope that JVC is OEMing DILA technology to someone who will use it for home theater. JVC seems to be focusing on the high end market, and well, that's their business decision.
I'd love to see the resolution and fill factor of a JVC DILA with the brightness and contrast of a Sanyo XP-21N.
I'd love to see them combined with a decent scaler.
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Ken Elliott
I'd love to see the resolution and fill factor of a JVC DILA with the brightness and contrast of a Sanyo XP-21N.
I'd love to see them combined with a decent scaler.
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Ken Elliott
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Yes, I considered that, but while a new Gxx on its own might be manageable (barely), it ceases to do so once you factor the extras (scaler, calibration) into it. Plus, I can't get rid of the heat & noise.
Ironically, I am not worried at all about bulb costs - any projector I buy today will depreciate faster than I can wear out its bulb.
Holger
| Originally posted by milori: I think that the used G10/G11 market may be what you are looking for. I suppose that a new G15 might work, but that wound depend on your definition of "affordable" http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/biggrin.gif . |
Ironically, I am not worried at all about bulb costs - any projector I buy today will depreciate faster than I can wear out its bulb.
Holger
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I agree with both Tom and you. I'd really like to have a D-ILA projector designed primarily for HT use and as far as I guess this is not a top priority for JVC Japan. On the other end I don't think that it is possible to make a nice 3 DILA HT Projector with high contrast, good colorimetry and a price which is competitive against low end tri-LCD or even mono DLP.
| Originally posted by kelliot: I hope that JVC is OEMing DILA technology to someone who will use it for home theater. JVC seems to be focusing on the high end market, and well, that's their business decision. |
"It is just my own opinion but I think we should stick with Xenon and maintain our colorimetry advantage, price be damned."
I don't think this position is supportable given the colorimtry Seleco and Dwin are getting with UHP bulbs. If appropriate portions of the spectral output of a UHP bulb are selectively discarded, you get good colorimetry as well as net efficiency higher than xenon.
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Noah
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I don't think this position is supportable given the colorimtry Seleco and Dwin are getting with UHP bulbs. If appropriate portions of the spectral output of a UHP bulb are selectively discarded, you get good colorimetry as well as net efficiency higher than xenon.
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Noah
[This message has been edited by noah katz (edited 04-20-2001).]
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the thing i don't understand is why jvc ships a device targeted at the high end market with stuck pixels. i may be misinformed but my understanding was that the reason ti does not have a stuck pixel problem with dlp is that they throw away the bad devices and make that a cost of sales rather than having some way of manufacturing that avoids it. i hear people on this forum all the time talking about stuck pixels on dila.
at this price, couldn't you just inspect them and not offer the broken ones to the market? i probably don't know the whole story.
greg
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| Originally posted by tstites: Christopher, D-ILA will be primarily a high-end technology, not a mid to low price technology as with 1-chip DLP and LCD. |
at this price, couldn't you just inspect them and not offer the broken ones to the market? i probably don't know the whole story.
greg
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