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Logic Design (Max) has replied to my PM by giving me the site for the sale of the Video Filter. He is reluctant to post it himself as some time ago (and I had almost forgotten this) he was heavily criticized for using this forum as an advertisement. It is apparently against the rules for him to post about his product, but I am merely giving an informed opinion by doing it. Oh-Kayyye then...


The web page for the Video Filter (notice the caps) is:


http://www.videofilternet.com/index.html


If you have any questions, there is an e-mail address that you can send them to Max. I use the Video Filter, and although it is a bit more expensive, it offers some options and advantages too. The question is, whether it will serve your needs? It certainly runs much cooler than my Sima device.


Oh, and no, I have gotten no compensation for posting this. Call it a public service announcement. :)
 
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Thanks. I was able to contact Max via email and received their website info. for the filter. I'm still deciding whether to go with a Grex or Logic Design's Video Filter.

My home setup is : cable service thru AT&T U-verse receiver boxes w/ DVR
Panasonic DMR-EZ48V dvd/vcr recorder combo - manufactured 2011
Sony flatscreen w/ hdmi
The hdmi cord goes from TV to u-verse receiver and I am using red,white, yellow composite cable linking the dvd/vcr recorder unit to u-verse receiver for copying DVR recordings or live TV onto a DVD.

The shows that I am not able to copy onto dvd from dvr are: SNL re-runs from various channels (VH1 , VH1C, Logo, etc...) and 2 or 3 old HBO stand-up comedy specials.

Questions for anyone who uses either a Grex or The Video Filter:

Will either device work fine with my setup or is one better suited for it than the other?
Before I buy any device, are there other things I should try that would enable me to record these protected shows such as alternate way of connecting recorder to dvr or certain type of blank dvd?
I would greatly appreciate any info. before I make a purchase decision. Thanks again to everyone who replied to my previous posts!
 

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I assume you have a PC since you're posting on this forum. And since you have HBO, you also have HBO Go. Would it not be much cheaper and simpler to use a screen recorder for your HBO stuff? And with one free month of Netflix, you could record all the SNL re-runs you want using the same screen recorder. And that would be HD, far better quality than DVD. You could still burn the results to DVD if you wish. I would pursue that before spending any money on filters that may or may not even work.
 

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....I would pursue that before spending any money on filters that may or may not even work.
While I'm not disagreeing that using a PC may work quite well, I don't think there is any doubt any of the filters the OP is asking about would work to remove CP. Now maybe if your talking about a cheap "VHS" type of filter it probably won't work for the OP, but a quality DVD type filter should work just fine for a line input DVDR, I use a Grex and also older Sima and both allow me to record anything I've tried. The Sima lightens blacks quite a bit and I'm not to fond of that and the Grex loses a tiny amount of resolution but doesn't really effect the black level so I mainly use the Grex.
My guess is the Video Filter may be the best of the lot and if your OK with the price you probably can't go wrong, otherwise maybe the OP would want to try the Grex from Amazon and if they weren't satisfied they'd only be out maybe $5-10 for return shipping. I doubt they'd be returning it though, oh and if their Uverse had S-video out they should get quite a bit better picture than lowly composite :)
 

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Thanks for the info! I don't actually get HBO, I just recorded a few shows during one of their free weekend previews that pop up a couple times a year. I will definitely try the s-video cable instead of yellow composite cable.

I have also been looking into getting a 2nd dvd recorder unit, just a basic dvd player/recorder to go in my bedroom, but want to make sure I get a reliable brand/model. The main criteria I am looking for are: ability to read/ record onto a variety of blank discs especially +DL format ,
ability to press pause button on dvd remote when copying a dvr program onto a blank dvd so I can cut out certain parts of the program ,
is very lax in identifying copyright protection ,
great picture/audio quality when copying onto dvd ,
durable and long lifespan.

It doesn't have to be a newly released model (I read that older models are much better than most of the newer ones) or available in stores ( I will probably buy from Amazon, ebay, etc..).

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated and thanks again to all who have replied!!!
 

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Your DL criteria really limits your choice of DVDRs. Very few brands support writing to DL media. Panasonics do but only '06 and newer models and by '08(probably the year of your EZ-48v) they stopped developing new DVDRs.
I guess using your criteria I'd suggest either a tunerless EA-18 or EZ-28 that has a built in digital tuner. Any of the '07 EZ-x7 models would also work but they are known to be quirky at best, I never had luck with the EZ-x7 models.
 

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Thanks! I wasn't aware the DL discs were so incompatible with other players/recorders. The only reason I use them is to fit as many episodes of a tv series onto one disc without changing the recording quality to a lesser mode. What other recorder options would you suggest if I used regular DVD +/ - R discs instead of DL?
 

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At this stage of the game there isn't much choice for standalone DVDRs of any type, a popular model on this forum is one of the Magnavox DVDRs w/HDD but they may be out of your price range. Your best bet for looking into those would be to check out Wajo's sticky thread near the top of the DVDR forum. Magnavox also makes HDD less DVDRs but those aren't of the quality of the HDD models so if your just looking for a HDD less model I'd still probably steer you towards a Panasonic.
You didn't say how you liked your EZ-48v but it is known to be one of the more temperamental Panasonic models, it does make very good recordings, up to LP if you can put up with some macroblocking but others like to not really push about 2.5hrs/SL disc using FR which is easy for one title but gets harder the more titles you have per disc. I personally put things like small extras on my DVDs in LP and for longer extras I use FR set to 3 hrs(of course this would be on a blank disc, less than a blank disc and recording in a particular FR speed requires a bit of calculation) and for the main movie or title I like to use FR set to no longer than 2hrs 42 minutes or as I call it FR2.7
Using FR when first recording to a HDD is much easier to use for multiple titles because you can set FR to whatever you want for any title and it will calculate things as if it were a blank disc, IOW you don't have to figure how much space is remaining on the disc and figure from there. Panasonic HDD models are quite hard to find, the last domestic one being made in '06 although international Panasonics w/HDD are still available if not a bit expensive at times.
Personally if you don't think you want a HDD then I'd just keep an eye out for a used EA-18 or EZ-28(or another EZ-48v if that model has been working ok for you) and that way you could continue to use DL media. Panasonics older than '05 don't have full D1 resolution in LP as the newer models do, in fact really nothing longer than SP will be full D1 on those older Pansonics, which is why I don't really care for them, if you only use SP or faster then you might be able to find a good deal on such a model but again none record to DL media.
 

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All of this info. has been very helpful. I really appreciate it! I also wanted to know your input on using an S-video cable. It is used in conjunction with the red and white RCA composite cable for audio, correct? Is there a certain type of s-video cable that is better than others? I saw some reviews on Amazon that said the shorter s-video cables (3feet) work better than long ones. Would a combo cable with three separate connector heads (s-vid, red, white) on each end of the cable be ok or is it better to use stand alone cables for each connection? Thanks.
 

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Yes along with the S-video cable you need a red and white audio cable. I've used all types of S-video cables and they all preform equally well. I tend to prefer the thinner ones for ease of use, I have a few thicker ones I don't care for as much, mainly because they are stiff and bulky, not that they don't work as good as the others.
Personally the ones I like the best I've been getting at Menards(a local hardware type store, similar to Home Depot) which can be had for
 

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Yes along with the S-video cable you need a red and white audio cable. I've used all types of S-video cables and they all preform equally well. I tend to prefer the thinner ones for ease of use, I have a few thicker ones I don't care for as much, mainly because they are stiff and bulky, not that they don't work as good as the others.
Personally the ones I like the best I've been getting at Menards(a local hardware type store, similar to Home Depot) which can be had for
 

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Have you seen any television since 2014 that has S-Video input connectors? In my experience, if you use reasonable quality cables and restrict the length to what is actually needed rather than 9 or 12 ft standard lengths, the quality of composite is almost indistinguishable from S-Video. My television is a 55 inch HD.
YMMV :) and I only use 6 foot S-cables to my DVDRs. AFA your first question, no as I said before S-video is basically dead, only our old designed DVDRs have it and older DVRs, nothing new :( In fact my most recent TV, a nicer Samsung(all others are the same) couldn't even bother to include a dedicated composite video input :confused: it was shared with one of the inputs for component(which there was only one!) so by using component you had NO SD inputs whatsoever :mad: Again it made no difference the brand nor cost, all TVs were this way. Multiple HDMI inputs and one shared component/composite :(
 

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I've never had a S-video cable go bad but some people have and the symptom is B&W or an odd colored picture, sometimes if the cable isn't seated all the way I've seen this but just reseating has always fixed it for me.
The only time i've ever had an S-vid cable "go bad" is when one of the pins somehow got bent.In that case ya might as well toss it.If you use a pair of needle-nosed pliers you can *sort of* bend the pin to a somewhat normal position and try to re-seat it in the input,but the result is always poor:(.Better to toss it and grab another cheap cable.:)
 

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My friend had DirecTV SD service. Their stupid box didn't go above s-video and his stupid flat panel TV didn't have s-video, so they had to live with composite. :p to both companies (major brand LCD or LED but I can't remember the brand, I think new about 5 years ago).

P.S. The box only output 4:3 but the TV was set to stretch to fill the screen. I adjusted it to 4:3 so it would look geometrically correct, but the wifey got upset saying how it was before is "how it's supposed to be!" so I set it back. Man that was tough to watch TV like that.
 

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According to the stats here, the last visit to AVSforum by Logic Design was a year ago. Every URL or other contact I've seen listed appears to be no longer valid. Does anyone have current contact info ?
 

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I can comment on my experience with both the Grex and the Video Filter. When my cable supplier introduced copy protection in October 2015, I ordered a Grex from Isreal. It came promptly and I hooked it up immediately, using only s-video connections. After carefully examining recordings made with the Grex, I reluctantly noted a slightly fuzzy resolution, compared to my previous CP free recordings. As I mostly recorded older black and white movies, the sharpness I had become used to, just wasn't there. I was forever fidgeting with contrast and brightness controls with little improvement. On a couple of recordings, particularly where there is lots of quick, flashing light, some brief distortion occurred.

Earlier this year I obtained the Video Filter. I immediately attempted to record, when broadcast, the same films I had recorded when using the Grex. The VF recordings seem to retain the original sharpness, so I continue to replace all the earlier Grex-recorded films as they are broadcast. Thus far I have not noticed any problems with the distortion flashing, though I am still waiting comparison as the problem films are re-broadcast. However I still find the 16x9 and 4x3 aspect ratios are only fitting into SB sizes (black borders on all 4 sides), in spite of my attempts to adjust the switches on both the VF and my Toshiba 630. Not a huge deal for me, though, as good resolution is priority number one...
 
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