[sebberry]

Instead of spending time and money trying (and failing) to protect content with DRM they spent time developing friendly features such as tagging parts of the movie (such as the very start and end when the credits start to show) with flags that can be read by lighting control systems?


In theaters, the house lights come on bright enough so people can see their way out of the theater and I think it would be pretty cool to have that same sort of feature at home. All you would have to do is decide which scene in the lighting control gets selected when the "start credits" flag is read from the bluray player.


Do you think we'll ever see this level of integration? If so, will there be a generic standard or will you be forced into specialized equipment all from the same manufacturer?

 

[AnthonyZ]

I doubt it. One there are roughly 4,753,241,999 vendors involved (maybe slightly exaggerated), too many protocols and BluRay won't be around forever (some suggest that it's viable life cycle could be as short as 2-3 years from now). Add that to the fact that most people would rather have control of their lights rather than putting something like lighting into the hands of "Hollywood". Me personally? I think it would be irritating as hell...

 

[Somewhatlost]

its easy enough to do with CQC, so I am guessing it's easy enough to do with crestron/amx/etc??? so what do you need the movie studios for?

 

[smoothtlk]

"If Elapsed time = Total time, Then Run End of Movie Macro"

easy with MainLobby as well.

 

[sebberry]



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Originally Posted by AnthonyZ /forum/post/15529457


I doubt it. One there are roughly 4,753,241,999 vendors involved (maybe slightly exaggerated), too many protocols and BluRay won't be around forever (some suggest that it's viable life cycle could be as short as 2-3 years from now). Add that to the fact that most people would rather have control of their lights rather than putting something like lighting into the hands of "Hollywood". Me personally? I think it would be irritating as hell...

I am curious as to how you would find such a feature irritating. It would merely be a simple flag on the disc that you could optionally use with your lighting system to raise the lights a bit.


When I am sitting around with friends, I don't like to turn the lights up full right away, so it would be nice to have them come on half bright automatically. Of course you could simply have the system ignore the flag altogether.

 

[sebberry]



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Originally Posted by smoothtlk /forum/post/15530420


"If Elapsed time = Total time, Then Run End of Movie Macro"

easy with MainLobby as well.

But who wants to sit there entering in the running time for the movie when the system can read the "end of movie" flag from the disc and raise the lights automatically?

 

[TouchToBegin]



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Originally Posted by sebberry /forum/post/15530492


When I am sitting around with friends, I don't like to turn the lights up full right away

I don't get this, if you're going to have automated lights, you're likely to have control of them from your remote, so why don't you just turn the lights up to half with your remote instead of turning them up to full?

 

[MurrayW]



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But who wants to sit there entering in the running time for the movie when the system can read the "end of movie" flag from the disc and raise the lights automatically?

The "system = mainlobby" can read the total time of the movie, so there is no sitting around entering running time of the movie needed. I agree with many others, there are many ways of doing this now and most anyone with automated lighting is going to have a control system for them anyway.

 

[Garasaki]



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Originally Posted by TouchToBegin /forum/post/15531192


I don't get this, if you're going to have automated lights, you're likely to have control of them from your remote, so why don't you just turn the lights up to half with your remote instead of turning them up to full?

Or why don't you do a macro that brightens the lights when you hit "stop" on the remote...

 

[AnthonyZ]



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Originally Posted by sebberry /forum/post/15530492


I am curious as to how you would find such a feature irritating.

I already answered that question in my post. I don't want to offer "control" to Hollywood. I already have control of my lighting via touch screen invoked macros. No need for someone else to send a command for "light's on 50%" when I can program my macro with the level and ramp rate that I choose.

 

[duvetyne]

Time code has been used for many many years to 'sync' events with video/audio systems.

What you want already exists.

 

[sebberry]



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Originally Posted by AnthonyZ /forum/post/15536737


I already answered that question in my post. I don't want to offer "control" to Hollywood. I already have control of my lighting via touch screen invoked macros. No need for someone else to send a command for "light's on 50%" when I can program my macro with the level and ramp rate that I choose.

I don't think you understand what I am saying.


I never said to let hollywood force your lights to come on to 50%, just that the disc could simply have a "start credits" flag that invokes whatever scene you want to respond to that flag.

 

[sebberry]



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Originally Posted by duvetyne /forum/post/15536986


Time code has been used for many many years to 'sync' events with video/audio systems.

What you want already exists.

But it would still require you to tell the system at what point in time to raise the lights, no? How else does it know when the credits start?


You could tell the system to raise the lights after 92 minutes (or however long the movie is) but you'd have to tell the system how long the movie is each and every time you watch a movie of different lenghts. Then you'd have to factor in how long the trailers are, etc...


It would be much simpler if the lighting system could simply know when the credits start by way of a "start credits" flag on the disc and go to a lighting scene of your choice.


Am I missing something?

 

[duvetyne]



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But it would still require you to tell the system at what point in time to raise the lights, no?

Yes, which is preferable, if you read the posts....I don't want someone else telling me whe the lights should be on or off.

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Am I missing something?

Yes, personal preference.

 

[MurrayW]



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Originally Posted by sebberry /forum/post/15538774


But it would still require you to tell the system at what point in time to raise the lights, no? How else does it know when the credits start?


You could tell the system to raise the lights after 92 minutes (or however long the movie is) but you'd have to tell the system how long the movie is each and every time you watch a movie of different lenghts. Then you'd have to factor in how long the trailers are, etc...


It would be much simpler if the lighting system could simply know when the credits start by way of a "start credits" flag on the disc and go to a lighting scene of your choice.


Am I missing something?

Again, if you want that type of automation, you can do it today without requiring Hollywood to insert a flag and the required broadcasting of that flag to your lighting system. NO you would not need to tell the system how long each movie is every time you watch a movie.


It would be a nightmare for Hollywood to keep up with all the lighting systems that are out there and to be able to communicate with them.

 

[mavromatis]



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Originally Posted by sebberry /forum/post/15538774


But it would still require you to tell the system at what point in time to raise the lights, no? How else does it know when the credits start?


You could tell the system to raise the lights after 92 minutes (or however long the movie is) but you'd have to tell the system how long the movie is each and every time you watch a movie of different lenghts. Then you'd have to factor in how long the trailers are, etc...


It would be much simpler if the lighting system could simply know when the credits start by way of a "start credits" flag on the disc and go to a lighting scene of your choice.


Am I missing something?

What you are saying would be great is there was a device communication standard, I've exhausted this in another post, you just have to be careful on this automation forum because people here like things as they are, complicated and chaotic. In reality, to get something to work this seamless would require all studios to insert these flags, as general as they are, it will be hard to do. I could see this technology be released by some other company similar to D-BOX where the "flags" are sync'd and inserted via another control mech. and managed by this company (you could start it!).


Does the blu-ray spec support and pass flags? If, no, then this is a moot point without another system.

 

[Neurorad]

I read about this last week, somewhere. Not necessarily with Bluray, though.


TWICE 'magazine', maybe? CEPro article?


It was mentioned in a discussion of transducers, and how some movies contain signals for transducers.

 

[mavromatis]



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Originally Posted by Neurorad /forum/post/15596957


I read about this last week, somewhere. Not necessarily with Bluray, though.


TWICE 'magazine', maybe? CEPro article?


It was mentioned in a discussion of transducers, and how some movies contain signals for transducers.

Yes, D-BOX uses the PCM stream of the audio tracks to sync the tactile feedback at least that's how it was with DVD, not sure if Blu-ray and D-BOX have some other form of sync protocol. Then D-BOX has engineers (artists) that coordinate the proper effect to the signal and the D-BOX system downloads that data... you could have something similar for your "control flags" but, unfortunately, as much as I would like to see something like this, I highly doubt it ever becoming a standard in Blu-ray.