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What is the difference between the new a2's and the Xbox HD-DVD players

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Guys, why does the new Toshiba drives cost $700 - $800 more then the Xbox 360 HD DVD drive add on? (I'm referring to the top of the line Toshiba). The Xbox is going to output 1080p with its new update coming soon. It can't do HDMI but is that really worth $800 more? Why so expensive. In addition, the base price on the other Toshiba model is still still nearly double the Xbox HD add on. Why? Does it have that many more features that demand it be twice as much?
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Apples and oranges, STB - add on drive. And yes the A2 does have many more featrures.
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Apples and oranges, STB - add on drive. And yes the A2 does have many more featrures.
Comparing any kind of device to another manufacturer's device is basically apples and oranges. However, it still is done constantly on everything. So what does it offer that makes it worth the extra $800?
One reason is that the HD-DVD drive for the 360 just reads the disc and the actually decoding and processing is done in the 360 itself.
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Guys, why does the new Toshiba drives cost $700 - $800 more then the Xbox 360 HD DVD drive add on? (I'm referring to the top of the line Toshiba). The Xbox is going to output 1080p with its new update coming soon. It can't do HDMI but is that really worth $800 more? Why so expensive. In addition, the base price on the other Toshiba model is still still nearly double the Xbox HD add on. Why? Does it have that many more features that demand it be twice as much?
#1 difference is that to use the addon you must already have an Xbox 360, making direct cost comparisons indeed apples and oranges.


If we were to compare just the ability to play an HD-DVD movie disc then the

Minimum cost for Xbox is: 360 core $299 + hd-dvd addon $199 = $498


Of course you get hdmi along with the maximum audio encode on standalone while on the 360 you get entirely other functions like Media Center extension and oh btw, video games so it's still apples and oranges on the whole value equation.
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#1 difference is that to use the addon you must already have an Xbox 360, making direct cost comparisons indeed apples and oranges.


If we were to compare just the ability to play an HD-DVD movie disc then the

Minimum cost for Xbox is: 360 core $299 + hd-dvd addon $199 = $498


Of course you get hdmi along with the maximum audio encode on standalone while on the 360 you get entirely other functions like Media Center extension and oh btw, video games so it's still apples and oranges on the whole value equation.
So functionality and feature wise, the HD-DVD is close to the same? The $500 price tag is still half that of the new a2 (premium edition one). So again, what am I gaining for the $500. I am seriously trying to figure out which one I should go with (save up for if it is the A2), and I don't see why I shouldn't go for the Xbox one unless I am missing something that it can't do that the Toshiba can.
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The reason the 360 w/ HD-DVD is so cheap is because of competition with the PS3 and also because money is made on the games and accessories, not the consoles.


The 360 is in direct competition with the PS3, and this competition is what is lowering the prce on this HD-DVD add on. It really is a funny situation. More people are interested in gaming than the Hd-DVD blue ray formats. It's this interest in gaming that is bringing the formats into the light. See, all gamers what to have the best system, they argue online back and forth about which one is faster, or has the most features, or the best games, or the most options or capabilities. So you've got people who were only interested in games now touting the advantages of the hi def formats simply because the PS3 comes with the blue ray player and this has forced MS to want to include one at a good price. This is all great for us, it is bringing direct competition into an area which otherwise would be mostly overlooked by consumers. In other words, the fact that these new consoles have the hi def formats has fueled interest in the new formats, and will lower prices.


Now having said all that, console's as DVD players generally do not perform as well as standalone DVD players. We'll have to wait and see, but I would say that if you have even the slightest interest in gaming, get the 360 w/ the HD-dvd drive, but if watching movies is your main concern, the a standalone HD-DVD player should ideally have a better picture. We'll have to wait and see though.
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get both...


I have an HD-XA1 and plan on getting the XBox 360 addon player also. The Toshiba second gen unit XA2 version will also have analog outs. Also, as stated, Toshiba uses HDMI while with the XBox it will need to be VGA, especially if you want upconversion. We will indeed have to wait and see what the A/V differences are.
no hdmi on xbox 360 player....which is essential to me
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no hdmi on xbox 360 player....which is essential to me
Why?
for one, HDMI maintains a digital path. also, it allows for upconversion whereas component does not. VGA, however, does allow for upconversion, but is an analog connection.


correct me if i'm wrong, thanks
Does the 360 add on have analog outs?


If not, then without HDMI how would you get Dolby TrueHD and DTS-Master?
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So functionality and feature wise, the HD-DVD is close to the same? The $500 price tag is still half that of the new a2 (premium edition one). So again, what am I gaining for the $500. I am seriously trying to figure out which one I should go with (save up for if it is the A2), and I don't see why I shouldn't go for the Xbox one unless I am missing something that it can't do that the Toshiba can.
The reason you aren't getting a straight answer is because nobody knows. I can't tell you whether the 360 add-on is going to be better than my HD-A1, but when it comes out, I have friends that are getting them, so I'll let you know then.


We can talk about specs... oh, wait, M$ hasn't released any. We don't know what the add-on is going to be capable of, but unless Microsoft gives us a HDMI cable, the HD audio formats are out. This was a big one for me in deciding to get the A1. You can't get the HD audio from the add on if cabling stays as is, because the 360 doesn't have 5.1 analog cables.


We'll have to wait and see how M$ does,

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Does the 360 add on have analog outs?
No, it has nothing, it's basically just a USB HD DVD drive that plugs into the Xbox 360. That's why it's only $199, because it's just a "transport". All you've got are the outputs that come on the 360.

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If not, then without HDMI how would you get Dolby TrueHD and DTS-Master?
You don't, best you can get it Dolby TrueHD converted to DD by the 360 and sent over S/PDIF.


FWIW, Amir has confirmed all the above.


That's said, being an Xbox 360 owner, I'm getting one. The Toshibas have no appeal to me as I refuse to use a set top movie player. If they won't let me play it on my HTPC, I'm not interested. The 360 HD DVD addon will be a nice demo of HD DVD, and maybe it will even work in my HTPC :D
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It should be noted that audio from the addon will still be better than standard dvd since it's maxed out DD5.1 bitrate. At the same time better audio has to be the #1 reason to spend the extra cash on a standalone.


Gaming aside though, the 360 also IS a Windows media extender and delivers high def movie trailers, music videos and other high def content for it's price.
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Guys, why does the new Toshiba drives cost $700 - $800 more then the Xbox 360 HD DVD drive add on? (I'm referring to the top of the line Toshiba). The Xbox is going to output 1080p with its new update coming soon. It can't do HDMI but is that really worth $800 more? Why so expensive. In addition, the base price on the other Toshiba model is still still nearly double the Xbox HD add on. Why? Does it have that many more features that demand it be twice as much?
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Xbox costs $300 + $200 for the drive = $500.
Personally if i didn't have a Toshiba HD-A1 as it is, i'd get a Xbox 360 + HD-DVD addon, i cannot use true HD, and don't plan to. I use the digital output and it sounds great to me...


So really, the picture and sound would be the same for me on either setup, only the 360 has the advantage of playing games etc too.


Though i already got a 360... and will i get the addon? Sure, i'll do my bit to ensure HD-DVD wins :p
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Xbox costs $300 + $200 for the drive = $500.
I was comparing it to the high end Toshiba which costs $1,000.
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for one, HDMI maintains a digital path. also, it allows for upconversion whereas component does not. VGA, however, does allow for upconversion, but is an analog connection.


correct me if i'm wrong, thanks
IMHO the "digital path" is overrated. Analog component can look just as good as todays HDMI/DVI connections. Maybe with HDMI 1.3 and deep color things will change.


Upconversion is not that importaint as long as your Display has a good internal scaler.
If they change the Gamma setting in the VGA output next November it will be OK.. but as of now.. Gamma over VGA is completly destroyed and crush black like madness..
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