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What JVC would you buy?

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Is it better for me to find a second hand G15 (calibrated) or go for an SX21 (calibrated)? I want to save the money for a good scaler, the CRYSTAL/IO or a NRS type deal. I will also use an anamorphic lens.


As far as I see it the picture quality on the G15 is almost the same as that of an SX21 after calibration but the SX21 wins because it has DVI and that's really about it. I'm assuming the Xenon bulb on the G15 must make for a nicer image.


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They are all about the same G1000, G10, G11, G15, G1500, SX21 (or any of their clones) etc. Even the G20s I've seen offer very little increase in brightness(at the cost of CR). The lower power units seem to acheive the best CR after calibration, so its fair to say just shop for what you think is the best deal.


To me it's like saying one HD2 DLP is way better than another. Not from my experience.


So find a good deal(price and no dead pixels) and get it calibrated. Some of the newer models have more modern connections but the anolog connections are still just as nice if done properly.


Until they start pumping out more projectors with this new 1080p chip, all the others are pretty much in the same boat.
tryg,


thanks for that authoritative answer. (you're the dila authority as far as i'm concerned!) the answer you gave is pretty much what i thought.


what do second hand sx21s go for these days? i read on some thread that they go for under $4k but i've never seen that.


got any preferences as far as calibration goes? dilard v phelps? i know they'll both improve the image, my only real question about the phelps route stems from uncertainty about whether one needs to redo the calibration with every bulb change.


how large a screen can i light up with a calibrated anamorphed 1000/10/11?


who's selling second hand silverstars :)


R-S
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one calibration should hold you unless you are a totally anal perfectionist.


some people don't even have their calibrated! and still love it!


I think calibration is definately worthe the trouble and money for the G model units. I personally wouldn't get the 1500, sx21 or HX1 calibrated though. unless it was under $300.


just depends on how many foot lamberts you want.
Tryg,

WHy not those units specifically?

Thanks,

TM
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one calibration should hold you unless you are a totally anal perfectionist.


some people don't even have their calibrated! and still love it!

I think calibration is definately worthe the trouble and money for the G model units. I personally wouldn't get the 1500, sx21 or HX1 calibrated though. unless it was under $300.


just depends on how many foot lamberts you want.
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Raoul


I dont disagree with Tryg, but I would still go with the SX-21 Althought it not HDCP compliant, it still has a DVI input, its much smaller and much quieter than the the G series. I have a G11 and they are loud even with a hushbox. I would get it calibrated by William Phelps with either G series or SX-21 and you could use Dilard for other aspects of the software. As far I know, you cant get a new SX-21 for under $4000


I do disagree with with Tryg on calibrating the SX-21. I have seen both a calibrated and non calibrated SX-21 side by side, and the non calibrated one typically have a greenish tone to them and they do have better contrast. The G series need to be calibrated in order for them to look good
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LOL! You are too funny!
I still like th HX-1 over the SX-21 due the HDCP dvi issue.


Joel
Where does HDCP become a real problem? I'm going to watch DVDs and cable (HDTV).


So, if I use a decent scaler, like the CrystalIO, a reasonable non fancy DVD player, a reciever that switches component video at HD bandwidth and an HD cable box won't I get a great picture? Why do I have to worry about HDCP for this chain? Am I going to get into trouble if the HDCP flags become common in cable boxes?


Dan, I already have an SX21 in my lab and I love it but I don't really see it as greenish. I am not looking for new, rather refurbs and good condition second hand stuff. Think I can get an SX21 for that?


R-S
If you are will to go the HTPC route i would go SX21 with panamorph. The image via DVI is incredible, even run a cheap dvd through a capture card and then using dscaler and powerstrip combo brings dvd to a new level. Standard digital cable programming has the same benefit.
raoul,


What is your budget? That would help people to better answer your question.
actually my choice would be the HX-1 for the HDCP dvi input.


I am sure that no all of them have a greenish tone to them, but I have seen enough of them to know that many of them do and that is confirmed by William Phelps who has seen alot of them


How important is HDCP. Very and none at all. Its very important if you want to eventually use a HD-DVD player, want to use a DVD player with DVi out (assuming its not the Momitsu or the Bravo). Also some day sat and cable my throw the switch and down res everything through analog connections.


If you dont plan on using HD-DVD and not worried about cable or Sat and think (not disagreeing with you) that using a high end scaler is as good or betther than a 720p\\1080I dvi signal from a DVD player, then HDCP isnt important.
ok. but let me understand the hdcp part a little more. if i have a crystalio and they support hdcp (coming soon etc... ) will it allow me to send the RGB signal to a G11 if the input (hdtv or hddvd) to the crystalIO is hdcp coded?


let me ask another question: if i end up using the component out of both the dvd and the cable box am i going to run into hdcp problems? doesn't hdcp only apply to the digital signal stream?


i do get it wrt dvi signals being much better than non digital signals but with a good scaler and an older projector like the g11 for example, or even an sx21 is it going to make a huge difference?
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raoul,


What is your budget? That would help people to better answer your question.
i'm on a mission to see if i can do this as cheaply as possible. let's say less than $5k for the projector and input stream (scaler / htpc / dvd ).


i'm really trying to do this for relative peanuts.
The older the model, the more they need to be calibrated. Starting with the 1500 the factory calibrations were starting to get fairly good. YMMV

Of course, you can always make everything better, and of coarse the professional calibrators all say they work miracles on every machine. JVC simply didn't understand the HT market until around the 1500 when they started making calibration one of their higher priorities.


I simply would buy the cheepest you can find and let it be a stop gap projector till 1080p/all digital is prevelent. Any of them should hold you nicely for 2-4 years


Calibrated G1000 ~$2500

HTPC ~$700 or Mamitsu 880 $300

High Def Reciever (DTC-100) $400

cables $50 pccables.com

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i'm on a mission to see if i can do this as cheaply as possible. let's say less than $5k for the projector and input stream (scaler / htpc / dvd ).


i'm really trying to do this for relative peanuts.
Are those back slashes "ands" or "ors"? Either way, it seems that that there is nothing "relative" about those peanuts. :)


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Keep in mind that the G series does not offer any keystone correction so you need a dead-on mounting height to your screen. This is the only reason I never bought a G series years ago. The G series are also very noisy so will need some hush-enclosure. I am a happy SX21 + HTPC with Holo3D2-AUX card & SDI mod'd Panasonic XP50 owner. And thanks to Tryg's trail-blazing efforts, I will have a Vutec Silverstar at home by the end of next week.


- Andy
"Calibrated G1000 ~$2500"


Probably even less then that. For about that price I bought a G10U, Dilard and a Prismasonic anamorphic lens.


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