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With my four 10Ts and CC3 (soon to be CC5), I have Bybee/Meitner balanced interconnects (with Bybee devices built-in at amplifier end) (only www.audionut.com carries these) and Transparent Ultra XL Bicable speaker cable. Sounds great!!! However, I've heard great stuff from many about Harmonic Tech cabling which is much more reasonably priced and Harmonic Tech I would recommend that you seriously consider. I'm sure Mark Davis, fellow Aerial luver, will chime in, as he did a cable shootout and ended up getting Harmonic Tech cabling. And its funny, as fifteen months ago, you'd see Mark always arguing that cabling didn't make a difference! Mark, we luv ya!!!
At last CES, Theta used Cardas cabling and it sounded great, too!
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At last CES, Theta used Cardas cabling and it sounded great, too!
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I used to think cables made a huge difference, I dont think so anymore. For the record Im using monster 2.4 biwire feeding a proceed HPA 3 to the cc3 and 10ts. Im using straight wire concerto xlr cables from the meridian into the hpa3. very happy with this setup but after testing cheaper no name cables from markertek I conclude, as far as Im concerned, cables wont matter. I know many conclude differently, I respect your opinions; here is mine for the sake of discussion.
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Gary, Steve, Bob and Jerry
Thanks everyone for your reponses.
I'm curious. What type of Processor & Amps are used to drive your speakers?
What is a good complement to the 7b as far as subs go? Bagend? Velodyne HGS series? or ???
Steve,
Where can I find more info on The Harmoic Tech cabling?
Bob,
I currently use the SPM as interconnects. Unfortunately their not balanced. Does balance int. make that great of difference in sound quality.
Jerry,
Why did you pick the HPA3 over the AMP5? Better bass response and clarity?
Thanks for your feedback in advance...Albert
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Thanks everyone for your reponses.
I'm curious. What type of Processor & Amps are used to drive your speakers?
What is a good complement to the 7b as far as subs go? Bagend? Velodyne HGS series? or ???
Steve,
Where can I find more info on The Harmoic Tech cabling?
Bob,
I currently use the SPM as interconnects. Unfortunately their not balanced. Does balance int. make that great of difference in sound quality.
Jerry,
Why did you pick the HPA3 over the AMP5? Better bass response and clarity?
Thanks for your feedback in advance...Albert
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Hi Albert,
well, heres my story:
I have an amp5 also. It is a great amp. I got the amp5 to use with my previous speakers (infinity kappa II 6.1s) nice speakers and the amp5 was perfect for them. Then I heard the 10ts, really enjoyed them, thought about it and decided to make the jump. now Im not picking on the amp5, but it just wasnt quite enough power to get the 10ts to sound "tight". I noticed this immediately. So I thought maybe I should give the HPA3 a try- I did and the 10ts sounded the way I thought they should. so now I have the amp5 running my 2 rear channels (a pair of rock soilds- yes I know while being nice speakers they are not up to the aerials in my system) and the hpa3 running my 3 mains. Perhaps someone with an EE degree could explain why the sound "tightened up" with twice the power, I dont have such knowledge. I can tell you that the 10ts really do need a lot of power and from my experience 125 wpc->8 (250->4) wasnt really enough. its not that it sounded bad- it didnt; it just didnt sound quite as good as I knew it could. when I am able to do a dedicated room in around 18 months I will use the other channels of the amp5 for the surrounds- so even though they have gone unused now, I will eventually use them. why stay with proceed? I like the sound, they are pricy and perhaps "overbuilt" but I like the well made feel and I thought it would be a good idea to stay with the same kind of sound. I also like the choice of xlr or rca and that it has a switch to keep the gain equal. I like the sound of the hpa3 vs the aragon amp I demoed the 10ts with (although the aragon sounded good to me). I know many people say Classe amps are a great match for the 10ts. I hope to hear that setup someday.
another amp to consider is llano (I think its www.llanodesigns.com) the guy builds them from hand, the value seems to be tremendous and a friend of mine just demoed a pair and told me it was one of the biggest improvements ever to his system- the kind of improvement that only happens infrequently- not like with a slightly better cd player. its at least worth a look on their website- I found it to be interesting, maybe one day Ill give those a try also.
- Jerry
well, heres my story:
I have an amp5 also. It is a great amp. I got the amp5 to use with my previous speakers (infinity kappa II 6.1s) nice speakers and the amp5 was perfect for them. Then I heard the 10ts, really enjoyed them, thought about it and decided to make the jump. now Im not picking on the amp5, but it just wasnt quite enough power to get the 10ts to sound "tight". I noticed this immediately. So I thought maybe I should give the HPA3 a try- I did and the 10ts sounded the way I thought they should. so now I have the amp5 running my 2 rear channels (a pair of rock soilds- yes I know while being nice speakers they are not up to the aerials in my system) and the hpa3 running my 3 mains. Perhaps someone with an EE degree could explain why the sound "tightened up" with twice the power, I dont have such knowledge. I can tell you that the 10ts really do need a lot of power and from my experience 125 wpc->8 (250->4) wasnt really enough. its not that it sounded bad- it didnt; it just didnt sound quite as good as I knew it could. when I am able to do a dedicated room in around 18 months I will use the other channels of the amp5 for the surrounds- so even though they have gone unused now, I will eventually use them. why stay with proceed? I like the sound, they are pricy and perhaps "overbuilt" but I like the well made feel and I thought it would be a good idea to stay with the same kind of sound. I also like the choice of xlr or rca and that it has a switch to keep the gain equal. I like the sound of the hpa3 vs the aragon amp I demoed the 10ts with (although the aragon sounded good to me). I know many people say Classe amps are a great match for the 10ts. I hope to hear that setup someday.
another amp to consider is llano (I think its www.llanodesigns.com) the guy builds them from hand, the value seems to be tremendous and a friend of mine just demoed a pair and told me it was one of the biggest improvements ever to his system- the kind of improvement that only happens infrequently- not like with a slightly better cd player. its at least worth a look on their website- I found it to be interesting, maybe one day Ill give those a try also.
- Jerry
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I've started to use lampcord with my Aerials, and it is nothing short of explosive!!! http://www.angelfire.lycos.com/images/animate/pow.gif
Actually, I use Nordost Red Dawn. But I'm afraid to try lampcord for fear it will sound just as good. http://www.themiscpage.com/ubb/pmon.gif
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Actually, I use Nordost Red Dawn. But I'm afraid to try lampcord for fear it will sound just as good. http://www.themiscpage.com/ubb/pmon.gif
Nick
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Why not find out what type of cabling is used on the inside of the speaker and just use that? Seems like you would get the best match with this scenario.
Wow!! Thanks everyone for your valuable feedback. I think I'll pass on the lampcord, but there is certianly a wide selection of speaker wires to choose from. How much impact each one makes is still up in the air pending audition. But let's say when I do decide on a pair. How far away can I set my amp to the speaker before degradation of sound quality becomes a factor? 12 feet? 20ft? 30ft? ???
This is a stupid question. I thought the SW12 had its own amp built-in. Why would it need to draw current from the Amp5?
Thanks in advance...Albert
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This is a stupid question. I thought the SW12 had its own amp built-in. Why would it need to draw current from the Amp5?
Thanks in advance...Albert
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Albert,
in general you will be best served with the shortest distances between components, whether it be amps and speakers or your video equipment and display, etc. If you had to choose between having a larger distance between your surround processor and amp or the amp and the speakers, most people say let it be the former (processor/amp) because the interconnect cables have more shielding, while speaker cables have less. I have 15ft of speaker cable to the mains and it seems just fine.
as to the sw12. you are right. it has its own amp. I forget if youre using a sub now or not. basically, when youre not using a sub, all the frequencies are going to your 7bs, so the amp5 has to deal with the entire frequency range. if/when you add a subwoofer you will likely get the best movie sound by designating the 7bs as "small" and sending the lower frequencies (most processors designate 80hz as this point) to the subwoofer, therefore the subwoofer handles these frequencies and the 7bs- as well as the amp5- wont be handling these frequencies. in essence you are using 2 amps to drive the same frequency range. you might find that youll get better music sound this way. additionally, with the sw12 there are so many excellent controls on it, that Id suggest instead of using the processors dedicated subwoofer out, that you at least experiment telling the processor the 7bs are large speakers, take the right and left output into the sw12 and use the sw12s xover. adding a sub is a bit of a painstaking endeavor because you have to deal with speaker placement and xovers. definately leave a nice amount of time for the first day and you might need a couple of weeks to live with different setups. ultimately, if you watch movies I think a sub would definately be worth it and I also think it would probably improve your music experience as well. there are many fine subs out there, to me the best commercial sub that "does it all" is the sw12- its expensive though.
- Jerry
in general you will be best served with the shortest distances between components, whether it be amps and speakers or your video equipment and display, etc. If you had to choose between having a larger distance between your surround processor and amp or the amp and the speakers, most people say let it be the former (processor/amp) because the interconnect cables have more shielding, while speaker cables have less. I have 15ft of speaker cable to the mains and it seems just fine.
as to the sw12. you are right. it has its own amp. I forget if youre using a sub now or not. basically, when youre not using a sub, all the frequencies are going to your 7bs, so the amp5 has to deal with the entire frequency range. if/when you add a subwoofer you will likely get the best movie sound by designating the 7bs as "small" and sending the lower frequencies (most processors designate 80hz as this point) to the subwoofer, therefore the subwoofer handles these frequencies and the 7bs- as well as the amp5- wont be handling these frequencies. in essence you are using 2 amps to drive the same frequency range. you might find that youll get better music sound this way. additionally, with the sw12 there are so many excellent controls on it, that Id suggest instead of using the processors dedicated subwoofer out, that you at least experiment telling the processor the 7bs are large speakers, take the right and left output into the sw12 and use the sw12s xover. adding a sub is a bit of a painstaking endeavor because you have to deal with speaker placement and xovers. definately leave a nice amount of time for the first day and you might need a couple of weeks to live with different setups. ultimately, if you watch movies I think a sub would definately be worth it and I also think it would probably improve your music experience as well. there are many fine subs out there, to me the best commercial sub that "does it all" is the sw12- its expensive though.
- Jerry
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APM,
Are these the DH-Lab T-14 or Silver Sonics advertised?
| Originally posted by APM: We really measure cables performance in the 100's of feet and not 10 feet. I use a 8 meter 10ga. cable for my rears with no problem and one of my diy guys just made a 20' pair of my cables with no problems what so ever. |
Are these the DH-Lab T-14 or Silver Sonics advertised?
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Alan (APM), you may be right. I've had a friend or two get confused because Alan (APM's) e-mail is [email protected], whereas Bob Williams and his company, Audionut, which carries both DH Labs and Harmonic Tech cabling, is e-mail at [email protected]
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