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I currently stream 1080p mkv files from my plex computer that is an intel i7. I use this computer for its strong transcoding capabilities so I keep my plex server on it. However, the time has come to expand. I want to backup these files on a raid 5 system. Im not looking to spend a ton of money but want a reliable system. Im open to a network attached storage or direct. But I want to be able to expand the system as it grows also.
 

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Expansion depends on the type of raid card you get, should you choose to build your own system, or should you decide to go software raid, they all pretty much offer expansion capabilities; should you decide to go with a name brand NAS, they too offer expandability, so you can add larger drives later on.
 

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I had a look at those cineraid and they look very basic, I don't think that would do online expansion, unfortunately you'd have to probably double that price and get something from Synology if you want online expansion plus a whole lot more.The biggest thing to remember is those Cineraid products don't have a network connection, they are USB or E-SATA only, a NAS connects to your network, thats what the N in NAS stands for.
 

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This really depends on many factors, if you want to build your own then you could just add a bunch of drives in to your existing system and use something like FlexRaid which works with Windows and allows you to create a "RAID" but in a unique way that allows you to add / remove drives whenever you want. I don't have a lot of experience with it as I've always been a dedicated RAID person.

 

If you want to build another system dedicated to storage you could go with FreeNAS which I am very impressed with but are either limited to the number of SATA Slots on the motherboard or have to add in a card to give you more. This could also be a RAID Controller which kind of defeats the purpose (in my opinion) of using FreeNAS as you are now only saving the cost of the Operating System.

 

That said you can add a RAID Card / Controller to your existing system which can be fairly pricey depending on what you decide to go with or you can go with an external unit / NAS like you mentioned.

 

Keep in mind that not all RAID Controllers or NAS Systems are created equal. I can not stress this enough, sure you can buy an inexpensive box that offers you some level of RAID but how reliable is it? How fast is it? You would be surprised as how painfully slow some of these RAID Controllers / NAS Units are. I've tried several of them over the years and have been very disappointed by all of them until recently when I tried a few of the Synology ones. To give you a little comparison copying files to my old RAID take 3 times longer then it does to copy to my Synology NAS. If you have a system that can pump the data out fast enough you easily saturate a Gig Connection. I am seeing file copies in the 850 - 900 Mb/Sec range all the time.

 

I have built many RAID Systems over the years and always go for performance / reliability. I've had tremendous luck with 3Ware / LSI Caching RAID Controllers, Super Micro Hot Swap Drive Bays and Seagate Hard Drives. I have a 13+TB RAID 6 that has been going strong for many years. I also have a smaller RAID that I have my documents, photos and music on that is also built on a 3Ware Controller. These systems are getting old and I want to consolidate them so I bought a Synology NAS.

 

You mentioned Expandability - Depending on the direction you decide to go in can add a significant cost to your solution. If you go with a dedicated system you will be limited to the number of on board SATA Ports which most motherboards these days have anywhere from 4-6 with some having upwards of 10. At the same time starting off with say an 8 Port 3Ware Controller would be in the $400 - $500 range while a 16 Port Controller would be upwards of $700 - $800++ unless you happen upon a sale.

 

If you were to go with a NAS you could take a look at the Synology ones, while they are not "Cheap" when comparing apples to apples they are actually pretty reasonable (considering the cost of a good RAID Controller and the cost of hotswap bays... etc). I recently bought their DS1813+ and absolutely love it. Keep in mind that all of their units with the "+" at the end of the model # are expandable by adding an expansion unit. The one I have is an 8 Port to start but you can add two 5 Bay Expansion units to it to get to a total of 18 Drives which is a ton of storage no matter how you slice it. Again this is not an inexpensive solution but one that might be worth considering.

 

Bottom line here is do your research on whatever direction you decide to go in. Sure you can pick up inexpensive units / solutions but will you have the performance and the reliability / stability that will keep your data safe? There is nothing worse than loosing data!
 

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This really depends on many factors, if you want to build your own then you could just add a bunch of drives in to your existing system and use something like FlexRaid which works with Windows and allows you to create a "RAID" but in a unique way that allows you to add / remove drives whenever you want. I don't have a lot of experience with it as I've always been a dedicated RAID person.


If you want to build another system dedicated to storage you could go with FreeNAS which I am very impressed with but are either limited to the number of SATA Slots on the motherboard or have to add in a card to give you more. This could also be a RAID Controller which kind of defeats the purpose (in my opinion) of using FreeNAS as you are now only saving the cost of the Operating System.


That said you can add a RAID Card / Controller to your existing system which can be fairly pricey depending on what you decide to go with or you can go with an external unit / NAS like you mentioned.


Keep in mind that not all RAID Controllers or NAS Systems are created equal. I can not stress this enough, sure you can buy an inexpensive box that offers you some level of RAID but how reliable is it? How fast is it? You would be surprised as how painfully slow some of these RAID Controllers / NAS Units are. I've tried several of them over the years and have been very disappointed by all of them until recently when I tried a few of the Synology ones. To give you a little comparison copying files to my old RAID take 3 times longer then it does to copy to my Synology NAS. If you have a system that can pump the data out fast enough you easily saturate a Gig Connection. I am seeing file copies in the 850 - 900 Mb/Sec range all the time.


I have built many RAID Systems over the years and always go for performance / reliability. I've had tremendous luck with 3Ware / LSI Caching RAID Controllers, Super Micro Hot Swap Drive Bays and Seagate Hard Drives. I have a 13+TB RAID 6 that has been going strong for many years. I also have a smaller RAID that I have my documents, photos and music on that is also built on a 3Ware Controller. These systems are getting old and I want to consolidate them so I bought a Synology NAS.


You mentioned Expandability - Depending on the direction you decide to go in can add a significant cost to your solution. If you go with a dedicated system you will be limited to the number of on board SATA Ports which most motherboards these days have anywhere from 4-6 with some having upwards of 10. At the same time starting off with say an 8 Port 3Ware Controller would be in the $400 - $500 range while a 16 Port Controller would be upwards of $700 - $800++ unless you happen upon a sale.


If you were to go with a NAS you could take a look at the Synology ones, while they are not "Cheap" when comparing apples to apples they are actually pretty reasonable (considering the cost of a good RAID Controller and the cost of hotswap bays... etc). I recently bought their DS1813+ and absolutely love it. Keep in mind that all of their units with the "+" at the end of the model # are expandable by adding an expansion unit. The one I have is an 8 Port to start but you can add two 5 Bay Expansion units to it to get to a total of 18 Drives which is a ton of storage no matter how you slice it. Again this is not an inexpensive solution but one that might be worth considering.


Bottom line here is do your research on whatever direction you decide to go in. Sure you can pick up inexpensive units / solutions but will you have the performance and the reliability / stability that will keep your data safe? There is nothing worse than loosing data!

I really appreciate your detailed response. After much research I keep coming back to the synologys. It seems like they get the most praise for reliability, performance, and most of all easy user interface. I've been recommended the newer synology 1513+. They said I could start out running a raid 5 system on it with 3 4tb drives to get up and running and then add drives as needed and expand up to 60 tb if need be with expansion. I've read the red nas drives are the best to get with the synology is this true? Also, do you believe this this is the best route for me considering reliability and expansion for my future needs?
 

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It's hard for us to know what your future needs will be however for hosting media, the Synology line of NAS's are fantastic; as far as future expandability is concerned, you already know they are quite capable. The + line of Synology's are excellent and worth the extra money, I have the 2413+ NAS and it has been fantastic, I highly recommend the + line.
 

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I really appreciate your detailed response. After much research I keep coming back to the synologys. It seems like they get the most praise for reliability, performance, and most of all easy user interface. I've been recommended the newer synology 1513+. They said I could start out running a raid 5 system on it with 3 4tb drives to get up and running and then add drives as needed and expand up to 60 tb if need be with expansion. I've read the red nas drives are the best to get with the synology is this true? Also, do you believe this this is the best route for me considering reliability and expansion for my future needs?
I highly recommend Synology NAS Units, they are the best ones that I have run in to so far. I am sure there are others that are similar but they aren't anywhere near the same price point or offer the same expansion capabilities. I am also very impressed with the company and the desire to keep improving their software and hardware to make these NAS units in to full blown server (which they already are with the added applications you can load on them if desired).

 

Keep in mind that when you do a RAID 5 which has a single Parity you can loose a single drive without data loss. With that in mind you loose the capacity of one drive right off the bat. So as you said if you start off with 3 drives you will only get the capacity of 2 drives but when you add another drive you will gain the full capacity of that drive and so on (So N-1). If you would go with RAID 6 which is highly recommended for very larger (usually over 5TB Arrays) then you loose the capacity of 2 drives (N-2). Also keep in mind that a 4TB Drive is really more like 3.6TB once it is formatted. There are a few reason for that but keep it in mind as it adds up as you get in to larger and larger drives. So if you would go with a 5 Drive Bay Base unit the max storage you will get out of it will be only about 14.4TB of useable space (RAID 5). If you would max it out with the two expansion units you would be talking a RAID 5 of about 50.4TB but that large I would strongly suggest RAID 6 or Two Parity Drives which would knock you down to 46.8TB.

 

Also worth mentioning that Synology Has their own version of "RAID" they call it "SHR" which is Synology Hybrid RAID which is what I am running. I attached a photo of my current set up so you can see it and the actual capacity.

 

If there is anyway possible to stretch the budget I would go for either the DS1813+ or even the DS2413+ for future expandability. I might be wrong but I have a feeling that the DS2413+ is going to be updated sooner than later as their lower end units have 4 Ethernet Ports and it only has 2 for some reason. I asked them and they said that they don't see any changed in the next few months.

 

Finally just like Canon vs Nikon I can't not tell you which way to go, WD and Seagate both make a great product. I am using Seagate Drives in mine as I've had tremendous luck with their drives over the years and I read a few very negative reviews on New Egg about various WD Drives. At the same time there are some very good reviews on Amazon so who knows. No matter which drives you go with make sure they are for a NAS otherwise you could run in to warranty issues if you ever have an issue. A lot of people also suggest buying drives weeks or even months apart to avoid getting a potential "Bad Batch" of drives which has certainly happened in the past. If you have more than one drive fail you are screwed (unless you are running a RAID 6 of course).

 

 
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