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What would you buy? Dwin TV3 or Sharp 10000?

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dynamike

Discussion Starter · Apr 12, 2003

I am looking for a replacement projector. I was wondering what people thought of these two projectors and the pros and cons of both. I know the Dwin just started shipping and not many have had a chance to see it, but I would still like opinions on it. The one thing that really draws me to the dwin is the transcanner with 2 DVI inputs and DVI out with a max length of 50'. I have seen the Sharp and the scaler on it looks really good. What's your opinion, and do you think there is something else worth waiting for in the near horizon?

thanks!

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Videoidiot

· #2 · Apr 12, 2003

I have the Z10000 and I had the TV-2, sorry not TV-3. I do have an opinion though. The Sharp has far more picture adjustments. More importantly the Dwin has a lens offset so if you're ceiling mounting be sure to have enough height. From my short experience the Dwin needs to be at least a foot above the top of the screen. That was a problem for me.

Rob Tomlin

· #3 · Apr 13, 2003

These two projectors are currently sitting at the top of my list right now. I really want the Dwin, but I would obviously like to SEE IT FIRST! This seems to be a difficult thing to do at the moment, as not a single dealer in southern California currently has the TV3 set up.

Fred DeGrandis

· #4 · Apr 13, 2003

You got PM

Reed W

· #5 · Apr 13, 2003

Reports are both are great projectors. I would guess the picture quality will be excellent on both machines. It will probably come down to features and individual issues like throw ratio, off-set, one vs two box design.

It might also depend on how soon you want a new projector. As of this date Dwin has only shipped a couple of projectors. With all the pre-sales it could be a few weeks or even a couple of months before you could take home a TV3.

I am not sure about the Sharp availability.

Reed.

xkode2002

· #6 · Apr 13, 2003

I own a TV3 and a friend has a Sharp 9000. I was really impressed with the depth of setup options the Sharp had, but I found that the Dwin won for me because of the 2-box solution and the really small size of the PJ unit, making it much better for my installation. The offset was also a huge win for me with the TV3, as I could flush-mount it to the ceiling; the Sharp can't be above the top of the screen. If you can afford to have a floor-to-ceiling entertainment rack sitting behind you (this is how my friend did it), the Sharp is probably a fine choice.

I can't comment on the picture quality because I'm comparing apples to oranges as the 9000 was the HD1 chip. But the TV3 is stunning to watch.

fishman

· #7 · Apr 13, 2003

I have narrowed my DLP selection to these two and the Marrantz. I think what is making me lean to the Dwin is the controller. I really like the idea of mounting this in a Mid Atl slim 5 rack and connectiing my input souces directly into the contoller using the shortest cables possible like in the more expensive Runco line. Does anyone know how long the supplied cable is that connects contoller to pj! Like many others, I have not seen the Dwin, but was very inpessed with the Sharp 9000. The new one, with improved contrast ratio should be spectaular. I do plan a ceiling mount and understand Dwin is very flexible in that respect. Have read reviews of the Sharp 10000 but cant find any reviews of either the TV2 or TV3 !

noah katz

· #8 · Apr 13, 2003

"I can't comment on the picture quality because I'm comparing apples to oranges as the 9000 was the HD1 chip."

Sure you can - they're apples/apples, both meant to dispaly video. Most of us are interested in hearing how the performance of HD2's compares to HD1's.

Fred DeGrandis

· #9 · Apr 13, 2003

Does anyone know how long the supplied cable is that connects contoller to pj!

It goes from like 25 feet to 50 feet with 5 foot intervals. To the best of my knowledge, it isnt free, but it is very reasonable(I think its under 200 for a 50 foot DVI cable).

Fred

xkode2002

· #10 · Apr 13, 2003

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Originally posted by Fred DeGrandis
Does anyone know how long the supplied cable is that connects contoller to pj!

It goes from like 25 feet to 50 feet with 5 foot intervals. To the best of my knowledge, it isnt free, but it is very reasonable(I think its under 200 for a 50 foot DVI cable).

Fred

Funny--I don't think Dwin supplies one! I think I have the 40ft one (maybe 35) and I believe it cost $350, but I can't remember exactly. Either way, you NEED to buy the Dwin cable as one end is not the standard DVI format, it's a round connector.

xkode2002

· #11 · Apr 13, 2003

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Originally posted by noah katz
"I can't comment on the picture quality because I'm comparing apples to oranges as the 9000 was the HD1 chip."

Sure you can - they're apples/apples, both meant to dispaly video. Most of us are interested in hearing how the performance of HD2's compares to HD1's.

Okay... if you want that kind of comparison, the HD2 Dwin TV3 is more impressive visually than the Sharp 9000. Just to caveat: I saw the 9000 on a 100" Greyhawk fixed screen (wall mount) and my TV3 is displaying on a 92" Firehawk roll-down. I also saw them nearly 4 weeks apart.

The TV3 HD2 PJ is both brighter (maybe due to the Firehawk, maybe due to the HD2, maybe due to the 8" difference in screen size) and darker at the same time. The blacks are truly black and the colors pop out more vibrantly. While the 9000 looked great, the TV3 makes it looked a little "washed out" in comparison.

Rob Tomlin

· #12 · Apr 14, 2003

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Funny--I don't think Dwin supplies one! I think I have the 40ft one (maybe 35) and I believe it cost $350, but I can't remember exactly. Either way, you NEED to buy the Dwin cable as one end is not the standard DVI format, it's a round connector.

Are you sure about this? I thought I read somewhere else that you could use any companies DVI cable, and the round connector was simply to make it easier to push through conduit?

Can you see where the DVI connection on the pj is and tell if a "normal" DVI cable would fit?

noah katz

· #13 · Apr 14, 2003

xkode,

After seeing the 9000, those are just the improvements I think were needed.

Thanks

xkode2002

· #14 · Apr 14, 2003

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Originally posted by noah katz
xkode,

After seeing the 9000, those are just the improvements I think were needed.

Thanks

You may get those improvements from any of the HD2 PJs. But I can tell you that I am sure happy with the TV3.

sbaillar

· #15 · Apr 14, 2003

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Originally posted by Rob Tomlin
Are you sure about this? I thought I read somewhere else that you could use any companies DVI cable, and the round connector was simply to make it easier to push through conduit?

Can you see where the DVI connection on the pj is and tell if a "normal" DVI cable would fit?

I hope he's right about this since he has one...and I just bought a cable for future installment and it too has a proprietary round cable "DIN" connector on one side.

Thomas Marshall

· #16 · Apr 14, 2003

Iâ€™m also down to the Sharp Z10k, Dwin TV3, and the Marantz S2.

This is my take so far:

FYI â€“ IMHO you simply canâ€™t compare the Z9000 with HD2 PJâ€™s.

The Z10k has a stunning PQ, a bit better than the S2 IMO, so that places it at the top of my short list until I can view the TV3.

I take issue with the Z10k wine. However, it is the only HD2 DLP that has 3:2 pull down for 1080i material. Excellent price point as well.

I take issue with the S2â€™s component input (really canâ€™t run HD through it IMO) and the short throw is a problem for many. Overpriced for most as well.

So, if the TV3 has equal or better PQ than the Z10k, then the controller configuration with single cable connection and 2 DVI ports would give it the edge in my book. This assumes the price point is reasonable.

However, I take issue with Dwin as a company in general (lots of dirty water under my personal bridge).

Now the good news is, theyâ€™re an AMERICAN company and theyâ€™re right down the street from me (easy to get in their face if necessary). As far as the issue with purchasing the proprietary cable, who cares, as youâ€™ve spent thousands on the PJ, whatâ€™s a few hundred more?

So, I just have to find one to make the PQ evaluation, and then we will seeâ€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦

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sbaillar

· #17 · Apr 14, 2003

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Now the good news is, they?re an AMERICAN company and they?re right down the street from me (easy to get in their face if necessary). As far as the issue with purchasing the proprietary cable, who cares, as you?ve spent thousands on the PJ, what?s a few hundred more?

Well I'd rather buy 1 proprietary DVI cable instead of:

45' Component Cable

45' S-video Cable

45' Composite Cable

45' VGA Cable

45' RS-232 Cable

45' Fiber=> DVI Cable

+ Conduit to get it all there.

======================

Total = much more than 1 Dwin DVI cable.

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xkode2002

· #18 · Apr 14, 2003

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Originally posted by Rob Tomlin
Are you sure about this? I thought I read somewhere else that you could use any companies DVI cable, and the round connector was simply to make it easier to push through conduit?

Can you see where the DVI connection on the pj is and tell if a "normal" DVI cable would fit?

The DVI connector on the PJ is round. You cannot use a standard DVI cable, unless you somehow can hook a really short Dwin cable to the end of it with the round connector.

Reed W

· #19 · Apr 14, 2003

Tom - you say Dwin is "right down the street from me". Can you go down the street to Dwin and look in the window at their assembly line and see how many TV3's they are making?

As far as I can tell only Xkode and a dealer in Arizona have actually received one. Reed

Rob Tomlin

· #20 · Apr 14, 2003

Thanks XKode, I guess the Dwin cable is a must. I don't necessarily have a problem with that, as long as it is a GOOD cable!

Reed, that's way too funny!

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