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What's the best method for receiving HD?

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Hey guys,


I have the unfortunate problem of moving into an area only covered by Adelphia, and they SUCK! TWC took them over as you all know, but I talked to TWC today, and they said it would probably be a good year before we see any improvement in quality/quantity of HD on our service. I can't stand it. I was wanting to hear from you all to see what other option I could try for HD, and I'll let you know, I'm too far away from the antennas to get HD OTA. Any one of the satellite providers better than the others? Any pitfalls with them you can help me sidestep would be much appreciated.


Thanks,

Mark
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You're not very far from Toledo. Mapquest says 24 miles... That's certainly doable with a medium-sized antenna.
What's one that you would suggest that won't look like hell? I'm out in the country outside of BG, and there's lots of trees, and we're along the river too. I just figured I'd have a hard time getting reception out here.


Thanks,

Mark
Check antennaweb.org and see what digital only stations are in your area, post the results here.
Here is a list of the digital channels from antennaweb.org. Looks like I need a large directional antenna. I've read channel master is a good one. What do you think?


Thanks,

Mark


DTV Antenna

Type Call Sign Channel Network City State Live

Date Compass

Orientation Miles

From Frequency

Assignment

* red - uhf WTOL-DT 11.1 CBS TOLEDO OH 58° 26.3 17

* red - uhf WBGU-DT 27.1 PBS BOWLING GREEN OH 203° 21.9 56

* red - uhf WUPW-DT 36.1 FOX TOLEDO OH 55° 23.0 46

* blue - uhf WGTE-DT 30.1 PBS TOLEDO OH 56° 23.5 29

* blue - uhf WNWO-DT 24.1 NBC Toledo OH 60° 27.2 49

* blue - vhf WLMB-DT 40.1 IND TOLEDO OH 336° 24.2 5

Note:

The above listing is a conservative prediction of stations received. Depending on the specifics of your installation, you may be able to receive stations that do not appear in this list.
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Echostar DBS seems to have the widest selection of HD channels, including some former ZOOM selections. Less complaints about their PQ compared to DirecTV's so-called HDLite (reformatting of 1920X1080 to 1280X1080). Canadian DBS is another option, as is C-band (etc.) big-dish setups for the best SD/HD picture quality. -- John
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Here is a list of the digital channels from antennaweb.org. Looks like I need a large directional antenna. I've read channel master is a good one. What do you think?


Thanks,

Mark


DTV Antenna

Type Call Sign Channel Network City State Live

Date Compass

Orientation Miles

From Frequency

Assignment

* red - uhf WTOL-DT 11.1 CBS TOLEDO OH 58° 26.3 17

* red - uhf WBGU-DT 27.1 PBS BOWLING GREEN OH 203° 21.9 56

* red - uhf WUPW-DT 36.1 FOX TOLEDO OH 55° 23.0 46

* blue - uhf WGTE-DT 30.1 PBS TOLEDO OH 56° 23.5 29

* blue - uhf WNWO-DT 24.1 NBC Toledo OH 60° 27.2 49

* blue - vhf WLMB-DT 40.1 IND TOLEDO OH 336° 24.2 5

Note:

The above listing is a conservative prediction of stations received. Depending on the specifics of your installation, you may be able to receive stations that do not appear in this list.
suggest a winegard hd7082P (minimum) or hd7084P combo vhf/uhf antenna with winegard hdp 269 preamp with a rotor.


For uhf only ... cm4228 or an antennas direct 91xg if you suspect severe multipath induced by the local geography.


purchase the winegard antenna here comes with 50' of coax.
http://www.summitsource.com/winegard...le-p-4563.html


these stations may be an issue without a rotor.

* red - uhf WBGU-DT 27.1 PBS BOWLING GREEN OH 203° 21.9 56

* blue - vhf WLMB-DT 40.1 IND TOLEDO OH 336° 24.2 5
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Echostar DBS seems to have the widest selection of HD channels, including some former ZOOM selections. Less complaints about their PQ compared to DirecTV's so-called HDLite (reformatting of 1920X1080 to 1280X1080). Canadian DBS is another option, as is C-band (etc.) big-dish setups for the best SD/HD picture quality. -- John


Is echostar Dish Network?
I'm just curious why antennaweb.org doesn't list WTVG-DT 13.1 (RF ch. 19), Toledo's ABC affiliate? As a DTV DXer, I see this station quite often in Indy (@ 186 miles!). It's a powerhouse DTV.


Steve
Using zip code 43402 (got from USPS website), they do list WTVG-DT, but it's way down the list.... in the violet section. Oddly, it's the same distance and compass direction as most of the other Toledo stations.


violet - uhf WTVG-DT 13.1 ABC TOLEDO OH 37° 24.0 19
If you got an powerfull antenna like the CM4228 and preamped it, you'd probably be able to pick up several Detroit channels along with Toledo. Heck even Cleveland is within reach.


edit: you should also start to see some HD stations pop up in Windsor over the next year or two, notibly CBC HD.
actually, when I plug in my address, which is about 15 miles NW of 43402 center, I don't see WTVG-DT at all, but WTVG's analog says it's 25.5 miles away from my home. I would assume they broadcast their signals (analog and digital) from the same place, because the distance of both and angle of both are the same when you just use the 43402 zip. I think it's an error on antennaweb.org or something. If you can get it in Indy, I'm sure I should be able to get it out here between Waterville, Ohio and Grand Rapids, Ohio. Now, is there a way for me to get these through some satellite service, since my cable company doesn't offer all of them, or do I have to get an antenna? If I need an antenna, how high do I need to mount it?


Thanks,

Mark
Do you want to receive just toledo?


suggest a winegard hd7082P combo vhf uhf antenna with a winegard hdp 269 preamp mounted on a 3' tripod with a mast sticking out about a few feet over the tripod. see pic which is how an actual hd7082P antenna would look installed.


Or a cm4228 with winegard hdp269 preamp if you only desire to receive uhf (which wlmb is not).


purchase here comes with 50' of coax.
http://www.summitsource.com/winegar...ble-p-4563.html


these stations may be an issue without a rotor.

* red - uhf WBGU-DT 27.1 PBS BOWLING GREEN OH 203° 21.9 56

* blue - vhf WLMB-DT 40.1 IND TOLEDO OH 336° 24.2 ch5 vhf
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You have wind loading (and in your area of the country ice loading) consideration on a tower. The antenna itself, the transmission line and even the guy wires (even de-icing elements) all come into play on this.


To further complicate things, the accepted standards have become more rigid after some tower failures over the past 20 years. For example, in Topeka a tower that came down in the mid 80s was rebuilt.


Now, as it had come down before, you would think they would bulletproof it, learning their lesson once? and it was .....it was engineering to accepted standards when rebuilt about 20 years.


Today, using current standards, the tower is 200% over capacity.


They need new guy wiring for the tower, but the new guy wires add too much weight as well. It's like that game where you have to pull parts out - a giant puzzle with any move causing a failure of another spec.


It's a disaster waiting to happen all over again.


So, with that said, some stations while operating 2 transmitters (1 for analog and 1 for DTV until 2009) have had to find other tower lease space available in the area.


Though that is not the norm, it does happen - and in some unique circumstances can explain why the numbers from the analog site and digital site are not the same.


I am not familar with the Toledo (or Youngstown) Broadcast station(s) as I am with the Cleveland, Akron, Columbus, Dayton and Cincy stations - so I cannot say if that is or isn't the case here - but in some cases - that will explain the difference in transmission sites that you might see in reference material.


In others, as can be seen in another thread, there are just plain errors.
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I think you can safely assume that you WILL pick up WTVG-DT just fine (if you're able to pick up the other Toledo stations). All but one of Toledo's stations appear to have their towers in the same general area.
How do I get HD programming when the local cable company carries none. The only station that has HD receivable by antenna is a PBS station which I watch no PBS programming. The satellite services cost not a small sum per month. Is there a practical way to HD programming via the internet?
If your cableco carries none, only one is available via antenna, and satellite is too much, you're pretty much out of luck.
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If your cableco carries none, only one is available via antenna, and satellite is too much, you're pretty much out of luck.
Another bad post by Hall, you can find most of the network programming in HD with C band/KuBand if you know where to look.


Clearly Hall doesn't.
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The satellite services cost not a small sum per month...
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... and satellite is too much,
Why a bad post? He didn't say it's NOT available on satellite, just that cost may be an issue based on Ace's post.


If he can't afford D* or E*, then a BUD may be out of the question, right?
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