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Where are all the DLP projectors?

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I see tons of JVC and Sony (LCOS) threads and Epson and Panny (LCD) threads but not many DLP threads. I personally like the look of DLP but man its getting harder to find any projectors that aren't just business or junk models. DLP has lots of strengths like 3D and motion handling but have we hit a rock with little progress at a reasonable price. So I ask anything new of quality that's affordable compared to its counter parts (LCOS or LCD) out there of coming soon?
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Originally Posted by curtishd  /t/1519108/where-are-all-the-dlp-projectors#post_24389839


I see tons of JVC and Sony (LCOS) threads and Epson and Panny (LCD) threads but not many DLP threads. I personally like the look of DLP but man its getting harder to find any projectors that aren't just business or junk models. DLP has lots of strengths like 3D and motion handling but have we hit a rock with little progress at a reasonable price. So I ask anything new of quality that's affordable compared to its counter parts (LCOS or LCD) out there of coming soon?

It has been something like 7 years since we have seen a new DLP chip. No advancements is why you do not see much going on with DLP. If you got into this hobby 10 years ago, DLP was king, but not anymore.
DLP is only " King " in high end 3 chip projectors these days - which probably don't fall under your " affordable " or " reasonable " price categories.
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Originally Posted by Craig Peer  /t/1519108/where-are-all-the-dlp-projectors#post_24390248


DLP is only " King " in high end 3 chip projectors these days - which probably don't fall under your " affordable " or " reasonable " price categories.

True, when it comes to light output, 3-chip DLP is king. Affordable, not to most people.


Anytime you want to give me yours, let me know.


It might actually work in my ambient light challenged family room.
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Anytime you want to give me yours, let me know.

It might actually work in my ambient light challenged family room.

You do know that I'm going to be buried with it when I die, using my SVS 20-39 cylinder sub as my coffin, right?
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Don't listen to Mike , I'll give you actual money for it
Plus the cemetery workers will just steal it anyways. Haven't you ever seen Garden State?
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Plus the cemetery workers will just steal it anyways. Haven't you ever seen Garden State?

Darn, you're right. I guess I'll need to be buried with it in my gun safe instead..............
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Originally Posted by Craig Peer  /t/1519108/where-are-all-the-dlp-projectors#post_24390682



Darn, you're right. I guess I'll need to be buried with it in my gun safe instead..............
 

Or maybe just buried with a gun in your hand...
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Originally Posted by b curry  /t/1519108/where-are-all-the-dlp-projectors#post_24391147


Or maybe just buried with a gun in your hand...

That would be no problem. He couldn't pull the trigger.
Maybe he needs a Claymore mine.
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Originally Posted by Craig Peer  /t/1519108/where-are-all-the-dlp-projectors#post_24390248


DLP is only " King " in high end 3 chip projectors these days - which probably don't fall under your " affordable " or " reasonable " price categories.

Just curious, but why is the the case? I assume it's just market driven in the "affordable" consumer world where more people are wanting lcos-based technology projectors?

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Originally Posted by DavidHir  /t/1519108/where-are-all-the-dlp-projectors#post_24392243


Just curious, but why is the the case? I assume it's just market driven in the "affordable" consumer world where more people are wanting lcos-based technology projectors?

I think the problem is TI is the only manufacturer of the DLP chip, while you have some many LCD related manufacturers worldwide.


When TI is in trouble, or decided to retreat from this DLP market, it will come to a complete stop.
For TI it's a blessing and also a possible curse. As someone else pointed out, it's been close to a decade since TI has actually done any R&D on it's enthusiast .95" DMD. It's great for them that they don't have to take any risk with manufacturing entire projectors and that leaves them with less liability for "losing the game" and less of a chance that they'd end up leaving the market, but if they don't continue to offer companies a viable (annually updated) product that can truly compete in regards to potential image quality then TI is going to find that the companies who've been purchasing their products for many years will go out of business because they simply can't compete with companies like JVC, Sony, and Epson, all of whom, continue to further their own technology on a yearly basis and in many ways offer a superior product because of it. They've already lost Mitsubishi and Sharp. Both bowed out of the home theater segment this past year. How many more will it take for them to realize that DLP is becoming less and less of a viable product that companies will actually want to base a products around? Hopefully they'll realize this and will do something about it when UHD/4K DMDs come out.
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How does TI view the home cinema market, if it is only a small niche market in comparison to other more lucrative markets why would they bother innovating for it. TI is not getting the market up on the whole projector like JVC, Sony, Epson,  just the market up on the TI chip which I assume is the same per chip regardless of who they sell it to. I would expect TI is more interested in sales of DLP chips than picture quality of home cinema projectors.

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How does TI view the home cinema market, if it is only a small niche market in comparison to other more lucrative markets why would they bother innovating for it. TI is not getting the market up on the whole projector like JVC, Sony, Epson,  just the market up on the TI chip which I assume is the same per chip regardless of who they sell it to. I would expect TI is more interested in sales of DLP chips than picture quality of home cinema projectors.

If companies can't sell projectors with those chips inside of them, then they are going to stop buying them from TI. TI should have a vested interest in how well their products can perform to the competition. Lately they've only been doing R&D on their smaller .65" DMD. TI realizes the market is better for them in the sub $1500 projector market so that's where they place their R&D. They've basically abandoned the high end market. With Sony and JVC about to devour the 4K market and no official word on a 4K DMD we might see the end of DLP pretty soon when it comes to referring it possessing "reference" picture quality. The gap in performance over the next few years may widen drastically. Only time will tell, but right now they (TI) aren't very interested in the high end market and how it competes with LCoS. I think that's plainly obvious to see.

TI might see its future sales  growth in pico projectors in mobile devices. TI has already seen the demise of rear projection displays despite its efforts for example wobulation chips. TI might see little point in trying to fight for the small high end home cinema market if the expected sales don't warrant the effort. TI still seem to have good market share in the bigger market for lower end home cinema and gaming projectors as well as the far bigger market for business projectors, and the smaller market for high lumen exhibition projectors and commercial cinema projectors. 

 

Besides what is the point of innovating in projector design if projector manufactures don't bother to implement the improvements because they would sooner build simpler cheaper projectors aimed at living room use or gaming. How many current DLP home cinema projectors use two cats eye irises one before the DLP chip and one in the lens? DLP is capable of native contrast far higher than most current home cinema projectors produce.
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To Mark77771's point, TI is focused on larger markets and substantial diversification beyond home theater.

 

TI has a new 0.3" 720p DMD operating at 120Hz, targeting smartphones and mobile devices.

 

 



 

 

 

You can read about it here: http://www.ti.com/lsds/ti/dlp/display-controller/trp-technology.page?DCMP=dlp-pico3&HQS=trp-home

 

TI and DMD are far from dead.
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In the enthusiast world it will die if there is no further development.
From what I hear there are new developments - but most likely for higher end home cinema projectors. Maybe we will see something new within 18 - 24 months.
You're talking about a 4K DMD? I've heard about that too, but we need more than just a jump in resolution for it to be truly competitive.
Actually I heard that an 8K chip is being worked on.
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