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We know that the new models coming are Denon X4700H and X6700H + Marantz SR701x / SR801x. For god knows how long they have been available around August - September so the announcement in few week time seems bit early. There won´t be lower tier models this year for D&M. Yamaha should introduce whole new range though, but will we see similar half attempt in first year like it was with 4k 30p 4:4:2 or something like that.

According to a MediaMarkt employee in Munich, the new Yamaha AV receivers will be presented for Germany in June and will be available shortly thereafter.
 

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Few things from DE site for the Denon. Most intresting part is Dirac talk for D&M (future) and X6700H is likely to have 13ch processing. Sorry if these have been posted already, but this waiting is frustrating as they supposed to tell us more yesterday but kept silent.



Yesterday there was a live interview with Roland Krüger on the Grobi YouTube Channel.

I got some interesting news out of him. In the coming generation there will be more devices that can handle 13 channel processing with fewer internal power amplifiers. Could be a successor to the Denon AVC6500. The extent to which things like DTS X Pro will come up is of course another matter.

It was also confirmed again that there are already talks with DIRAC. However, everything is still in its early stages.

An even larger model from the 8500 or the 8805 prepress was indirectly teased.

The HDMI board change from the 8500 should be between 500 and 800 € .... WTF ?!

Furthermore, it was confirmed again that the new devices should continue to be available at the end of the year ...

- The 2020 models will each have 1 full HDMI 2.1 output and input, the other inputs and outputs will master all HDMI 2.1 functions except the bandwidth.
- HDMI 2.1 brings almost only advantages for gamers compared to HDMI 2.0, except that the 8k60p can be transmitted for possible future films (which at least I was already aware of)
- The new AVR or AVC are expected to appear before this autumn
 

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The HDMI board change from the 8500 should be between 500 and 800 € .... WTF ?!
Roland even said 500 - 1000 Euro :D
It has been known for some time that the exchange would be expensive.
But it is pretty funny how it went up from like "400 - 500 €" to "500 - 800 €" and now "500 - 1000 €".
I would not be surprised if in the end the upgrade will cost >1000 Euro.
 

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Roland even said 500 - 1000 Euro :D
It has been known for some time that the exchange would be expensive.
But it is pretty funny how it went up from like "400 - 500 €" to "500 - 800 €" and now "500 - 1000 €".
I would not be surprised if in the end the upgrade will cost >1000 Euro.
If the cost has changed by up to 100%... :eek:
Now how much confidence do U have about the delivery date.. :rolleyes:

Just my $0.02... ;)
 

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Roland even said 500 - 1000 Euro :D
It has been known for some time that the exchange would be expensive.
But it is pretty funny how it went up from like "400 - 500 €" to "500 - 800 €" and now "500 - 1000 €".
I would not be surprised if in the end the upgrade will cost >1000 Euro.
Important to keep in mind ... IIRC, there was a charge on European models to upgrade the X7200W from HDMI 1.4 to HDMI 2.0a; however, the upgrade in the USA was FREE. So the expected HDMI 2.1 upgrade cost for the Denon X8500H and Marantz AV8805 in the USA is likely to be much less than in Europe (ie. when the upgrade was first announced a year or so ago, the upgrade cost estimate was $200-$300USD).

Another item worth noting is that new Denon/Marantz models have been historically released in the USA about 2-3 months before being released in Europe.
 

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If the cost has changed by up to 100%... :eek:
Now how much confidence do U have about the delivery date.. :rolleyes:

Just my $0.02... ;)
To be fair. The 400 - 500 € price range has been mentioned over one year ago :D
Which is why I have more confidence in the more recent statements.

Important to keep in mind ... IIRC, there was a charge on European models to upgrade the X7200W from HDMI 1.4 to HDMI 2.0a; however, the upgrade in the USA was FREE.
Maybe they were forced to do that because some advertisements where unclear?
It will be interesting to see how it turns out this time.
 

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Few things from DE site for the Denon. Most intresting part is Dirac talk for D&M (future) and X6700H is likely to have 13ch processing. Sorry if these have been posted already, but this waiting is frustrating as they supposed to tell us more yesterday but kept silent.
I wonder if they are changing the lower end devices to use the Analog Devices DSP in the current flagships or moving to a newer TI solution.
 

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Hdmi 2.1 avr ?

Do we have a load of upcoming?
With the new consoles coming out I would think a release soon would be more profitable for the hype.
 

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Most of the production of consumer products in Asia has either halted or been shut down entirely.
I don't believe you'll be seeing much of anything in the near future.


Covid is far bigger than a release of a new HDMI spec, so patience is needed.
 

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Do we have a load of upcoming?
With the new consoles coming out I would think a release soon would be more profitable for the hype.
"Fall 2020" has been said by people (supposedly in the know) since January.
I would hazard a guess that since that hasn't changed the same still applies. Human malware doesn't automatically = shortages (longer release time).

Stuck with a Denon S640H but the next upgrade may not be Denon due to horrid BT responsiveness/latency issues. Also one of the channels sounds slightly off - it was a refurb with 30d warranty (false advertising as B stock). Also likely never ordering from Gibby's Electronics again.
May be looking at Pioneer, Sony or Yamaha.
 

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"Fall 2020" has been said by people (supposedly in the know) since January.
I would hazard a guess that since that hasn't changed the same still applies. Human malware doesn't automatically = shortages (longer release time).

Stuck with a Denon S640H but the next upgrade may not be Denon due to horrid BT responsiveness/latency issues. Also one of the channels sounds slightly off - it was a refurb with 30d warranty (false advertising as B stock). Also likely never ordering from Gibby's Electronics again.
May be looking at Pioneer, Sony or Yamaha.
Refurb issues are not always resolved by a repair facility especially if they cannot be replicated.
 

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But ...if you put all your 2.1 HDMI in your TV and use the audio optical out of the TV to feed your AVR with the audio do we really still need these big AVR to act as video switch when now the TV can do all the AV routing job ?

With my new 4k TV, im really looking for something that would feed and power my 5.1 speakers with only an optical IN, HDMI source routing will be done by the TV.

I would pay to get better AMP and sound, with bluetooth connection and all the dolby and other sound format decoder but no need to manage video signal.

Any of you know if this kind of amp exist ?
 

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My stuff is 20' from my tv. No way can I run that many cables. Does optical go 20'? And it is limited to 5.1 right?
 

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My stuff is 20' from my tv. No way can I run that many cables. Does optical go 20'? And it is limited to 5.1 right?
I mean, I stream netflix and youtube from the TV itself, 4KHDR movie over Eternet local network direct in TV, all my music would be streamed wireless bluetooth of wired audio jack in the AMP ....

The only HDMI source is my futur blu ray and futur next gen console.

At this point, getting better audio amp like a class G 5.1 amp that dosent manage video would be way smarter than putting money to pay for a 4K 2.1 HDR AV switch.

For optical cable, You should be good.

The ADAT spec puts the limit on optical cable length at five meters (around 16 feet). However, the length you can achieve depends greatly on the cables you are using. Inexpensive optical cables lose signal quite rapidly. But good-quality glass cables can be used for much longer runs.
 

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Yes, you would need an HDMI to feed 5.1 or 7.2 but still, no need to pay for all that video switching.
You have that backwards. You will pay extra for not having video switching. It's an economy of scale thing. You can try looking for a used 5.1 AVR that doesn't have HDMI. It most likely will still have composite, svideo and/or component video switching.

Also, the people in this thread want more than Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 5.1 so they're deciding between an AVR with 48Gbps ports or going through the TV using eARC.
 

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