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Just got round to reading the April 2000 issue of Stereophle (not SGHT) and I noticed that the Aerial 10ts had been taken off their recommended component list.


In the past, the 10ts had been ranked a "class b" full range speaker, missing "class a" by a whisker. Now, unless I didn't look closely enough, the Models 7 & 8 have made it to Class B, but the 10ts are gone. I guess that's ok. If they're there at all, they should be in "class a."


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Im sure its simply a case of "latest and greatest" the nice thing about speakers is they dont get outdated- at least not the way solid state electronics like dvd players and surround processors do.


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They were taken out for 'not being listened to in a long time'. Apparently Sterephile removes stuff if they haven't heard them for three years, although they are not always consistent about this.


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Woodman:


. . .settle down, brother. Nobody's upset. Just wondering.


I used to care whether my equipment was all in the "A" list of Stereophile (though the 10ts never were), but that was before I got my own sea legs in audio. Now, I'm confident I can judge for myself.


And while you're generally right about the high price for audio, and the law of diminishing returns, don't forget that just because something's $7,000 doesn't mean it can't be a great bargain--as long as it compares favorably to products that are much more than that.


Personally, I would like to see them in the Stereophile "A" list, because then if I wanted to sell them, I'd be much better positioned to get my money out of them. I could always advertise them as "Stereophile Class A."


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Hello all:


When I just began listening to speakers, I couldn't imagine why someone would pay more than $500 for a set of speakers. After listening to hundreds of speakers, attending a slew of live music events, and being lucky enough to be able to afford a wide range of alternatives, I have a different outlook on this topic. I simply wasn't able to be completely fooled by some of the more affordable sets of speakers -- there always seems to be some compromise. It was only when I has auditioned speakers across a wide spectrum of performance levels that I had learned to appreciate the value in some more expensive items. Salesmen would ask me -- how much do you want to spend on a set of speakers? I would tell them -- as little as possible to achieve an acceptable level of performance. And this acceptable level of performance was only realized after I had listened to an outrageous amount of speakers throughout the performance spectrum in an effort to gain as realistic of an impression as possible of what is possible. Too many people make decisions based on some part of the absolute dataset. I wanted it all -- or at least enough of it to make it statistically representative -- and I think I achieved this. Otherwise, all decisions and judgements are misinformed.


So, I ask you, what brand of speakers can reproduce sound, without compromise, at less than $2k? I don't think one exists. For instance, I really like a lot of the qualities of the Mangepan 1.6QRs, but there are many problems with these speakers. The speakers require very precise placement, have a very small sweet-spot or a very large variance off-axis, have vertical dispersion anomolies, have zero low-bass extension (I'm talking real levels to about 15Hz like my SW-12 can reproduce), etc...However, they do damn well for the money and I'd recommend them to a friend. Do they come anywhere near the level of my Aerial Acoustics 10Ts + SW-12 subwoofer?? I don't believe so.


On the topic of what is a bargain and what is not a bargain, that is truly a decision you have to make. A lot of personal variables come to play here. In my experience, I've found the Aerial 10Ts to be a bargain speaker *for me* -- yes at $7.7k (to start). Why? They can offer, along with the SW-12 subwoofer, an astoundingly realistic display of a music experience. One that approaches the state-of-the-art and one that very nearly approximates the real thing at a cost that is a fraction of what most speakers require in this category. In this category of speakers, they represent a bargain to me. Look at the prices of the competition -- Wilsons over $100K, Dunlavy VIs over $25k, JM Lab Grand Utopia over $70k, Pipedreams over $100k?, Avalons at $20k, etc. Are there better speakers than the 10Ts? YES. Are there other bargains in this category? YES, Waveform Mach or maybe the Vandersteen model 5 are just two examples of them -- there are more. Are there many speakers in this world that approach the level of performance of the 10T for under $10k -- I don't think so. So, are they a bargain in the cost-no-object category of performance? Yes, to me, they are for now. Will they always be a bargain? Probably not. As new price/perf. leaders come to market, they will likely displace the 10T.



Happy Listening.

Regards, Mark


[This message has been edited by mdavis (edited June 25, 2000).]
 

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Uh, Woodman:


No, I don't "obviously revere" the Aerials, nor do I take offense if others don't. Hate them, spit on them, they're inanimate objects.


As for your feelings toward Stereophile, well . . . hate it as well. Or love it. I think it's pretty clear where the passion is coming from in this dialogue, and it's nothing like boy loves dog, or even boy loves speaker. It's more like boy and his magazine.


Woodman, did Stereophile walk out on you or two-time you? There are support groups. Yes, help is on the way!!
 
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