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Where is UMR on Display technology?

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UMR,


I was wondering if you would be so kind as to providing details as to where you are in the display technology scene these days.


A few months back, I read a few of your posts describing how excited you where about up comming GWIV LCD technology, more specifically the variable light control capabilities. Then a few weeks later after the intro of GWIV I saw a post mentioning that you had all but given up on LCD as the technology for your next display citing DLP and Plasma.


Considering the prices of LCD have gone up, in the high end, and prices in plasma, for instance Panasonic 7uy, have come down. Which technology do you favor for picture quality to price ratio?


Anything else you'd like to elaborate on the subject would be happily welcomed.


Mike
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I am looking for something that has 1080p resolution, accurate colors, accurate gray scale tracking, 1000+:1 contrast ratio, few display artifacts, good aesthetics, great form factor, 60 to 50" screen size, good user interface and excellent signal processing. The Sony SXRD and JVC D-ILA offer me the best chance of getting this at an affordable price. An LCD RPTV with these traits seems unlikely at this point. The new LCD Sony HS51 front projector looks very nice except it is 720p. I recently checked out a Mits DLP and it only had a 550:1 on/off contrast ratio.


Sony should have their 1080p set available in the first quarter of '05 at the latest. JVC is less certain, but I would hope about the same time. I doubt either will fit my screen size needs at first.


I was also looking at small sets for my bedroom. Plasma & LCD flat panel were on my radar screen. I ended up choosing a Polaroid LCD because of PQ and form factor. I looked at several plasmas, but the smaller ones really disappointed me.
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Well, I suppose it will be some time before we see the ideal set you describe,

at least at a lower price point.


When it comes to the here and now, which sets are you liking? You mentioned the Polaroid, do you mind providing the model details? Personally I haven't considered the LCD's too closely due to poor black level performance as compared to Plasma. What in particular did you not like about the "smaller" plasmas? I think 37 is the smallest I've heard of, I don't know of a comparable Polaroid.


I'm stuck on the limited funds issues, not sure if waiting on a 45 inch Sharp 1080p set is worth it over a 50 inch Panny set due to concerns with black levels, color accuracy, and latency issues. I suppose I should wait to see one of the 45 inch sets in action considering pricing has become very competitive.


Mike
Here is a link to the set that I have. It is not perfect, but a great performer for the price. The black levels are a little high, but the colors are great once you calibrate it. I only use it in my bedroom for limited use so its fits the bill nicely.

http://www.polaroidelectronics.com/p...D/LCD-1700.asp


I hated the low level black performance of the plasmas I looked at. They had terrible posturization. I was looking in the 32" size which is pretty limited selection. They also had less than stellar color reproduction.
Thanks for the link to the Polaroid TV. I've seen these in stores and they do look nice, but i'm in the market for a larger set.


Well, after thinking on it, what I guess I'm most curious about is learning

what you find to be the biggest weaknesses for each of the current technologies.


I have a pretty good idea of what they are, but I sometimes see postings to

the contrary where owners who have tweaked their systems say it's not

a problem once tweaked. I figured an expert such as yourself could provide better observations from a trained eye. Here is what I usually see.


RPTV CRT:


1: Picture softness ( a + when it comes to SD)

2: Hot spots

3: Poor viewing angels

4: Picture brightness


DLP


1: Artifacts

2: horizontal viewing angle? Up and down

3: rainbows

4: Some picture uniformity issues.


RPTV LCD


1: Black levels

2: SDE

3: Contrast ratio

4: horizontal viewing angle? Up and down


Plasma


1: Black level detail

Let me qualify, I see strange artifacts in very dark scenes on Plasma,

others say these can be removed, but I always see them.


LCD Pannel


1: Black level

2: color accuracy? Things seems a bit "hot" on LCD sureal color

3: screen response times, can be an issue with sports.


I'd like to know how these compare to your personal observations and

understanding of the technologies.


Mike
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It is difficult to cover all the issues and many are particular to individual examples of each technology. I would strongly suggest you subscribe to widescreen review and read the three part article in the last three issues on display technology. It is well written and well reasoned.


I agree with most of your observations. I disagree that some are necessarily true with all examples of each technology, but can be failings of poor implementations.


CRT RPTV's do not have to be soft, but many are. It is not a failing of the technology, but lack of care in calibration and expense in quality components in many cases. It is difficult to get bright images while retaining accurate preformance. Using large guns can improve this, but the cost goes up accordingly.


All display types have artifacts DLP is not alone in this feature. How severe they are is more the question. DLP's frequently have more in the RPTV realm because of poor implementations. I have seen front projectors with very few for example.


Your observations of the limitations on the other technologies are similar to mine. I would add SDE to plasma and uneven colors to CRT and LCD RPTV.


You seem to be focused on the negatives. You might want to determine what features are important for you and focus on technologies that do those well.
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umr, I am in the market for a RPTV and have appreciated your contributions to this forum. Thank you.


I am currently leaning towards DLP. I remember you posting that you were interested in the Panasonic DLP. Have you yet had a chance to take a closer look at this set? Also, I haven't seen you mention the Toshiba DLP. What is your opinion of this RPTV?


I know it ultimately comes down to what looks best to my eyes, but I am having a hard time finding all the sets I'm interested in at one place. Also, just looking at a set at the store doesn't give me a good idea of how it would perform after properly calibrated. Any insight would be appreciated.
panamamike- You need to add DiLA to that list.
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umr, I am in the market for a RPTV and have appreciated your contributions to this forum. Thank you.


I am currently leaning towards DLP. I remember you posting that you were interested in the Panasonic DLP. Have you yet had a chance to take a closer look at this set? Also, I haven't seen you mention the Toshiba DLP. What is your opinion of this RPTV?


I know it ultimately comes down to what looks best to my eyes, but I am having a hard time finding all the sets I'm interested in at one place. Also, just looking at a set at the store doesn't give me a good idea of how it would perform after properly calibrated. Any insight would be appreciated.
No one locally has offered me the opportunity to look at their Panasonic DLP. I would if I had a chance to. I did take close looks at a Mitsubishi DLP and JVC D-ILA.


I have not even seen Toshiba in the stores yet. Their quality has been a little more suspect at times so my interest in them is less.


The best way to judge any display is under controlled conditions. This includes sources, lighting, seating position and at least a simple user menu calibration. Without that a visit to a store is only good enough to rule some displays out of the running.
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umr- are you still down on the JVC 52"? I read they halted production to fix an issue. I was wondering what the deal breakers are for you on the JVC? And what would need to be fixed for it to be acceptable?
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umr- are you still down on the JVC 52"? I read they halted production to fix an issue. I was wondering what the deal breakers are for you on the JVC? And what would need to be fixed for it to be acceptable?
I am on what I saw. I have not gone back to see if they fixed anything. As you can see from my earlier post in this thread the current models do not meet my criteria. I was only looking to see if the next model only needed 1080p to be great. Unfortunately, it will take more than that. The deal breakers were terrible scaling, pixelation, electrical noise and less than stellar contrast ratio. I would not trade my current TV for that D-ILA.
UMR,


Yes, you're right about my analysis of the TV's, I should focus on the positives. Right now I'm liking Plasma best due to the viewing angle and uniform look of the picture. Just thought I'd pick your brain since you might of had some sort of revelation that made you decide to turn your attention away LCD, aside from the 1080p issue. Thank you for the input. I'll have to check out that series of articles in WSR.


KidRed,


I didn't include DLA simply because there aren't enough sets using this technology, and the one that does is poor IMHO (JVC). I know there are some uber expensive DLA sets, but those aren't in my price range.


Mike
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