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The BDA formed a 3D task force in May 2009 to choose a 3D format for Blu-ray. The three main 3D formats I have heard about are the Dolby 3D format, the Sensio 3D format, and the Panasonic 3D format. Here is an article on the the Dolby 3D format. Here is an article and press release on the Sensio 3D format. Here is an an article , another article , and a document on the Panasonic 3D format. Based on what I have read here are the pros and cons:

Dolby 3D format

Pros: Excluding 3D displays is compatible with all current CE equipment (AV receivers, Blu-ray players, HDMI extenders/switchers, video processors, etc...) and may be compatible with current 3D displays from certain companies (such as Mitsubishi and Samsung)

Cons: Takes 100% more capacity on Blu-ray (since it requires separate 2D and 3D encodings) and has half the horizontal resolution for 3D video

Sensio 3D format

Pros: Excluding 3D displays is compatible with all current CE equipment (AV receivers, Blu-ray players, HDMI extenders/switchers, video processors, etc...) and the first 3D displays with Sensio 3D decoding are being released by Hyundai this year

Cons: Takes 100% more capacity on Blu-ray (since it requires separate 2D and 3D encodings) and has more than half horizontal resolution for 3D video by encoding the horizontal information in "features the consumer would not normally see"

Panasonic 3D format

Pros: Takes 50% more capacity for the 3D video on Blu-ray (uses video channel differential encoding) and has full resolution 3D video

Cons: The 3D video would not be compatible with current CE equipment
 

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It must work 100% with older players to play the movie in 2D.

A seperate 2D encoding would be required for the Dolby and Sensio 3D formats while I believe that the Panasonic 3D format has a compliant 2D video stream that can be decoded with current Blu-ray players.
 

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The Panasonic 3D system because:


1. It is the only 3D system to offer "Full HD" with the highest PQ of all 3D-HD delivery systems which is a major marketing point of BD.


2. Uses the least amount of storage.


3. Panasonic is the leading patent holder of BD and sits on the Board of Diirectors of the BDA.
 

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Keith, I notice you selected "Other 3D format" and which 3D format do you think the BDA will pick for Blu-ray?

My problem is that instead of three generic descriptions of the three 3D technologies, specific solutions could only be selected.
 

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My problem is that instead of three generic descriptions of the three 3D technologies, specific solutions could only be selected.

Do you think the 3d Blu-ray format will be able to decode 1080p60 stereoscopic? And 1080p48 stereoscopic too?
 

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My problem is that instead of three generic descriptions of the three 3D technologies, specific solutions could only be selected.

In terms of the three 3D formats mentioned which is closest in design to what you think the BDA will pick for Blu-ray?
 

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seems to me that whatever it is will have to be compatible with current equipment--having a blu ray without compatible tv or vice versa wont work for sales i dont think and buying both at once is a lot for most people.
 

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seems to me that whatever it is will have to be compatible with current equipment--having a blu ray without compatible tv or vice versa wont work for sales i dont think and buying both at once is a lot for most people.

They have to zero in on the users who already have at least the basics for 3D in hand. There is no way they will propose a standard that doesn't include those potentially, "ready" customers. It's got to be users with the 3d ready sets and BD players. That's the audience that will get the ball moving. I don't think the new standard will hinge on a new HDMI standard either. If it doesn't have full color, contrast and resolution then they can count me out.


I just got back from seeing G Force 3D. I took my grand daughter and great grand daughter and a cousin. It was their first 3D movie and they really enjoyed G Force and the 3D presentation. You can say I'm being an ambassador for 3D.
 

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In terms of the three 3D formats mentioned which is closest in design to what you think the BDA will pick for Blu-ray?

The goal of BD format is to be able to support high video quality, so I would not expect any 3D solution that uses reduced resolution to be adopted.
 

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The goal of BD format is to be able to support high video quality, so I would not expect any 3D solution that uses reduced resolution to be adopted.

Keith, it is assumed that Sigma is a voting BDA member so I hope that it can be conveyed to the BDA that some (many/majority?) of us BD users are not interested in a reduced resolution 3D format.
 

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And please convey to the BDA that James Cameron would like to shoot at 48fps stereoscopic at full res, and that many other film makers want 1080p60 and full res 60p is also part of the Digital Cinema specification.

http://www.imago.org/index.php?new=76

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Additional Frame Rates Standardized by SMPTE


The SMPTE has recently published a new standard called "Additional Frame Rates for D-Cinema". This standard defines the digital cinema projection speeds of 25, 30, 50 and 60 frames per second as possible additional projection frame rates inside the DC28 / 21DC framework (JPEG 2000), in addition to the speeds of 24 and 48 fps that were already defined....


Movies shot and shown at 60 fps will be virtually free of stroboscopic artefacts and will allow new developments in cinematographic language, since it will allow movements (both camera and/or action) that can not be rendered with 24 or 25 fps projection
 

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Keith, it is assumed that Sigma is a voting BDA member so I hope that it can be conveyed to the BDA that some (many/majority?) of us BD users are not interested in a reduced resolution 3D format.

It has to be full resolution or I won't be interested.
 

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They have to zero in on the users who already have at least the basics for 3D in hand. There is no way they will propose a standard that doesn't include those potentially, "ready" customers. It's got to be users with the 3d ready sets and BD players. That's the audience that will get the ball moving. I don't think the new standard will hinge on a new HDMI standard either. If it doesn't have full color, contrast and resolution then they can count me out.


I just got back from seeing G Force 3D. I took my grand daughter and great grand daughter and a cousin. It was their first 3D movie and they really enjoyed G Force and the 3D presentation. You can say I'm being an ambassador for 3D.

ok but how many truly 3d ready blu ray players are there--there are some dlp/lcd sets but that depends on the finalized format as to whether they would be compatible or not--thats what I am getting at. im not talking about the glasses type of 3d either--im referring to the real thing in full resolution...
 

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Originally Posted by Denophile /forum/post/16951298


ok but how many truly 3d ready blu ray players are there--there are some dlp/lcd sets but that depends on the finalized format as to whether they would be compatible or not--thats what I am getting at. im not talking about the glasses type of 3d either--im referring to the real thing in full resolution...

None of course but (he,he) I got my hand out for a PS3 firmware update which some predict will happen.
 
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