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Hi everyone. My girlfriend is a fantastic woman, and she loves taking videos and editing them and publishing them, usually as gifts. She has been borrowing her friend's video cam as she doesn't own one of her own. She wants a pure video cam, not one which will also take stills. Went to an electronics store and saw an UltraHD Sony cam for $1800. Yikes.

Any of you have solid recommendations for a video cam. Her birthday is coming and it would make sweet birthday gift.

I trust you people more than a camera salesman.
 

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Can't resist here, but do you want GF advice or camera advice? Best wife advice I ever got was to NEVER buy gifts that "plug in". Set a budget, find a store you are terribly uncomfortable in, double the budget going through the front door and pick something shiny. It actually works!

For cameras, the Panasonic HC-V750 ($550) or HC-X920 ($800) are as good as 1920x1080 cameras are going to get. The picture changes if you start thinking about 4K.
 

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Sage advice. I totally agree and could not have said it as well, never buy wife/gf present that "plugs in."

Perhaps you could buy it for yourself, and demonstrate your unselfishness by letting her borrow use it but you still have to figure out her gift, a massage, jewelry, perfume, gift of self; take her and her mother out for a day, flowers, no Victoria Secret stuff, not for birthday anyway.

I'm out..Good luck.
 

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Can't resist here, but do you want GF advice or camera advice? Best wife advice I ever got was to NEVER buy gifts that "plug in". Set a budget, find a store you are terribly uncomfortable in, double the budget going through the front door and pick something shiny. It actually works!

For cameras, the Panasonic HC-V750 ($550) or HC-X920 ($800) are as good as 1920x1080 cameras are going to get. The picture changes if you start thinking about 4K.


Why not buy something which plugs in ? Please explain.
 

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I go with the choice of Panasonic. I have the 750 and it produces excellent results. It can be used in either the "point and shoot" mode (which I use most of the time) or various manual modes. The zoom is useful at 50x and there are a number of options such as slow-motion and time lapse. They all use SD card for memory and video transfer which makes it easy to load video into an editor on your PC.


Pretty much all of the consumer cams take stills but usually in a second switchable mode. Do not underestimate the value of the still photo option, being able to grab a still can be very useful to supply title backgrounds or printed photos for the records PLUS you only need to take one camera. The 750 fits neatly into my coat pocket so travels with me most places and often a photo is all that is required. (Do you really want a 30sec video of a statue - for example?)
 

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In this day you may regret not getting a 4K cam,even if the cam is only used to record 1920x10820P the results are better than 1080P only cams,the difference is huge in video quality,the only problem with panasonic consumer camcorders is their lack of viewfinders which are a must for me.
 

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In this day you may regret not getting a 4K cam,even if the cam is only used to record 1920x10820P the results are better than 1080P only cams,the difference is huge in video quality,the only problem with panasonic consumer camcorders is their lack of viewfinders which are a must for me.
I agree with this. For the price of a high end 1080p camera, you can get a $998 4K Sony AX33 with a viewfinder.

Here's what this camcorder can do:


http://vimeo.com/116142485


http://vimeo.com/120943700


Hope your girlfriend enjoys her new camcorder :)

Bill
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I agree with this. For the price of a high end 1080p camera, you can get a $998 4K Sony AX33 with a viewfinder.

Here's what this camcorder can do:


http://vimeo.com/116142485


http://vimeo.com/120943700


Hope your girlfriend enjoys her new camcorder :)

Bill
Hybrid Camera Revolution

Ooops. I misunderstood her. She was a camera which takes excellent stills and movies. Her girlfriend suggested this: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/892349-REG/Canon_8035b002_EOS_6D_Digital_Camera.html

OR

THIS: http://www.costco.com/Canon-EOS-Reb...l+SLR+Camera+&langId=-1&storeId=10301&refine=

Thoughts ?
 

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Ooops. I misunderstood her. She wa[nt]s a camera which takes excellent stills and movies. Her girlfriend suggested this:

Canon 6D

OR

Canon T5i

Thoughts ?
I completely understand. "I misunderstood her" will probably be on my headstone :)

I strongly advise against Canon DSLRs for video. I bought a Canon T2i for video back in 2010 and sold it almost immediately because it was so crippled as a video camera, e.g.:

- no video viewfinder (the viewfinder is blanked out by the mirror when you switch to video mode)

- limited continuous recording - my T2i shut down and stopped recording after 12 minutes - the T5i and 6D are limited to 30 minutes before they have to be restarted

- slow and noisy video autofocus (their autofocus motors can often be heard on your soundtrack)

- no headphone jack unless you want to pay $1800 for a Canon 7D Mark II

- no slow motion frame rates at HD, not even the minimal 1080/60 frames per second (except for the $7999 1D C)

- a phenomenon called moire - ugly shimmering lines in patterned objects - a problem for all Canon DSLRs except the $2499 5D Mark III and $7999 1D C

There is a still/video camera with 4 times the video resolution of a Canon DSLR that costs less than the 6D, the $1498 Panasonic GH4 4K still/video hybrid camera. This camera has a video viewfinder that actually works while you're shooting video. It can record for hours continuously, has fast autofocus with quiet lenses, is moire free and has a built in headphone jack.

It also has many other video-friendly features missing from Canon DSLRs, e.g.:

- manual focus peaking

- a built in intervalometer for timelapses

- compatibility with affordable power zooms

- built-in high frame rate slow motion up to 96 frames per second

Here is what this camera can do:

Travel


http://vimeo.com/107231188


http://vimeo.com/99523009


Documentary


http://vimeo.com/102924266


96fps Slow Motion


http://vimeo.com/100955334


http://vimeo.com/97096167


Narrative


http://vimeo.com/107747711


http://vimeo.com/108535410


http://vimeo.com/112172645


http://vimeo.com/110753225


http://vimeo.com/113104551


http://vimeo.com/112461203


Music Video


http://vimeo.com/98759306


It's a pretty darned good still camera too: Panasonic GH4 Pool on Flickr

I own this camera, and it is simultaneously the best still camera and the best video camera I've shot with in 45+ years of photography and filmmaking.

Again, hope this is helpful!

Bill
Hybrid Camera Revolution
 

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Why not buy something which plugs in ? Please explain.
Things that are useless to men do not plug in. Malls are full of stores that are full of things that don't plug in. They feel good, smell good, are shiny, colorful and seem like a waste of money. Cameras, blenders, tools, mixers, vacuum cleaners, generally anything you can find in a good home center or hardware store are bad.

I once thought an automatic robotic vacuum cleaner was a good present.

I once thought a camera was a good present. I bought it based on performance and specifications. She hated it. She replaced it with one that takes good pictures, feels good in her hands and fits better in her purse. One of it's features is a setting for "Happy Color". It is a Panasonic that is popular on travel and cruising forums. It is unheard of on camera, photography or videography forums! I have no idea how she takes pictures better than mine with such a crappy camera.
 

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I completely understand. "I misunderstood her" will probably be on my headstone :)

I strongly advise against Canon DSLRs for video. I bought a Canon T2i for video back in 2010 and sold it almost immediately because it was so crippled as a video camera, e.g.:

- no video viewfinder (the viewfinder is blanked out by the mirror when you switch to video mode)

- limited continuous recording - my T2i shut down and stopped recording after 12 minutes - the T5i and 6D are limited to 30 minutes before they have to be restarted

- slow and noisy video autofocus (their autofocus motors can often be heard on your soundtrack)

- no headphone jack unless you want to pay $1800 for a Canon 7D Mark II

- no slow motion frame rates at HD, not even the minimal 1080/60 frames per second (except for the $7999 1D C)

- a phenomenon called moire - ugly shimmering lines in patterned objects - a problem for all Canon DSLRs except the $2499 5D Mark III and $7999 1D C

There is a still/video camera with 4 times the video resolution of a Canon DSLR that costs less than the 6D, the $1498 Panasonic GH4 4K still/video hybrid camera. This camera has a video viewfinder that actually works while you're shooting video. It can record for hours continuously, has fast autofocus with quiet lenses, is moire free and has a built in headphone jack.

It also has many other video-friendly features missing from Canon DSLRs, e.g.:

- manual focus peaking

- a built in intervalometer for timelapses

- compatibility with affordable power zooms

- built-in high frame rate slow motion up to 96 frames per second

Here is what this camera can do:

Travel


http://vimeo.com/107231188


http://vimeo.com/99523009


Documentary


http://vimeo.com/102924266


96fps Slow Motion


http://vimeo.com/100955334


http://vimeo.com/97096167


Narrative


http://vimeo.com/107747711


http://vimeo.com/108535410


http://vimeo.com/112172645


http://vimeo.com/110753225


http://vimeo.com/113104551


http://vimeo.com/112461203


Music Video


http://vimeo.com/98759306


It's a pretty darned good still camera too: Panasonic GH4 Pool on Flickr

I own this camera, and it is simultaneously the best still camera and the best video camera I've shot with in 45+ years of photography and filmmaking.

Again, hope this is helpful!

Bill
Hybrid Camera Revolution

Speechless. Fantastic post. You are an encyclopedia.
 

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Things that are useless to men do not plug in. Malls are full of stores that are full of things that don't plug in. They feel good, smell good, are shiny, colorful and seem like a waste of money. Cameras, blenders, tools, mixers, vacuum cleaners, generally anything you can find in a good home center or hardware store are bad.

I once thought an automatic robotic vacuum cleaner was a good present.

I once thought a camera was a good present. I bought it based on performance and specifications. She hated it. She replaced it with one that takes good pictures, feels good in her hands and fits better in her purse. One of it's features is a setting for "Happy Color". It is a Panasonic that is popular on travel and cruising forums. It is unheard of on camera, photography or videography forums! I have no idea how she takes pictures better than mine with such a crappy camera.
You don't think much of women.
 

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I have been using screenshots from my GH4 4K UHD videos for 8.3mp stills that are good enough for sharing on the internet like on Facebook etc. If you want to make large prints then the GH4 16mp stills mode is better. I used my DSLR to shoot HD videos in 2009 but after getting the TM700 and GH2 in 2010 that was the end of DSLR videos for me.

AF test of GH4 vs Nikon D4s :
 
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