Which RPTVs have 9" guns?
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RPTVs with 9" guns are Philips, Zenith, Samsung, and the 73" Mits.
Some models might have been discontinued.
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Some models might have been discontinued.
Blue
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I hear the Zenith is the best? I also hear they are switching to 7" guns? http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/frown.gif
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Yes, Zenith has recieve some good reviews(out of the box) ,but i'm getting the Mits 73" because once u tweak it no set comes close.
I have viewed both (out of the box )and a tweaked Mits.
Plus the fix for the "Red Push" is out and IT WORKS!
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I have viewed both (out of the box )and a tweaked Mits.
Plus the fix for the "Red Push" is out and IT WORKS!
Blue
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Hey, thanks! It's only the beginning (the site will grow in steps until it's huge). We cannot begin principle photography on the film until next Spring, but I'll be damn busy until then. And when I'm not, I'll be messing with my HDTV. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
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Got one last year, but not sure the Philips 64PH9905s are currently in production. There's a less feature-packed model now. Check these HDTV guides . -- John
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The 9905 has been out of production since late last year I beleive. It's been replaced by the 64pp9751. Major differences: the 9751 is a "monitor" and as such does not have an integral ATSC tuner/DD decoder. The 9751 does, however, have a total of 9 video inputs:
ANT A
ANT B
AUX 1 - DVD S-VIDEO
AUX 1 - DVD Y Pb Pr
AUX 2 - S-VIDEO
AUX 2 - Y Pb Pr
AUX 3
AUX 4 - HD Y Pb Pr
AUX 5 - RGB VGA/SVGA/HD
The 9751 also features PIP and GuidePlus.
Regards -- Steve
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| Originally posted by John Mason: Got one last year, but not sure the Philips 64PH9905s are currently in production. There's a less feature-packed model now. |
ANT A
ANT B
AUX 1 - DVD S-VIDEO
AUX 1 - DVD Y Pb Pr
AUX 2 - S-VIDEO
AUX 2 - Y Pb Pr
AUX 3
AUX 4 - HD Y Pb Pr
AUX 5 - RGB VGA/SVGA/HD
The 9751 also features PIP and GuidePlus.
Regards -- Steve
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I don't mean this as flame bait, but quite frankly I'm puzzled why anyone would get anything else but the Mits 73" given that price point. 64" vs. 73" for the same price? What's to decide? Especially since the calibration, line doubler and red push concerns are now non-issues.
Put it this way: no other RPTV would elicit words like "behemoth" and "gargantuan" from my friends when they first see it. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif
| Originally posted by Blue Rain: Yes, Zenith has recieve some good reviews(out of the box) ,but i'm getting the Mits 73" because once u tweak it no set comes close. |
Put it this way: no other RPTV would elicit words like "behemoth" and "gargantuan" from my friends when they first see it. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif
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How would DVD look on a set so damn big? The compression artifacts must be visible on a set so large as they are far more visible on my 47" Panasonic, vs. my former 36" Sony Wega.
I've been disappointed that some DVDs which looked awesome on the Sony, look artifacty and so-so on the Panny.
(Heat is one. Crouching Tiger is another. Most of the single layer titles have obvious artifacts on this set, while the RSDL titles produced over the last year are, for the most part, very good. BEN-HUR was surprisingly artifact free, despite its age & length. Gladiator looks spectacular. It gets a big WOW!)
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I've been disappointed that some DVDs which looked awesome on the Sony, look artifacty and so-so on the Panny.
(Heat is one. Crouching Tiger is another. Most of the single layer titles have obvious artifacts on this set, while the RSDL titles produced over the last year are, for the most part, very good. BEN-HUR was surprisingly artifact free, despite its age & length. Gladiator looks spectacular. It gets a big WOW!)
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In addition to the Philips 64pp9751, its sister ship is the Marantz PV6480 with 9 " guns. Good Luck trying to find either of them. I talked with Philips today and they were totally unhelpful as to where to see or buy one. Believe it or not they suggested Amazon. If you can find one or find a good price please let me know. The best price I have found for the Zenith is ~$5900 plus shipping.
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This is true, jaggies abound in DVD material. But given the proper viewing distance, they become less noticeable, and maybe a good external line doubler would help (haven't tried). On HD material though, it's not an issue since 9" guns can properly resolve the 2 million-plus pixels.
| Originally posted by Matt_Stevens: How would DVD look on a set so damn big? The compression artifacts must be visible on a set so large as they are far more visible on my 47" Panasonic, vs. my former 36" Sony Wega. |
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An external line doubler most likely would not as good as buying a good progressive scan DVD player (since they do the conversion in the digital domain before the signal is converted to analog for component output).
| Originally posted by RSongco: This is true, jaggies abound in DVD material. But given the proper viewing distance, they become less noticeable, and maybe a good external line doubler would help (haven't tried). |
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The day I have a 73" HDTV will also be the day I have a seperate room with a smaller set for those less than worthy signals. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif
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Okay, couple of quick questions.
1) What's the best price people are seeing for this Mits?
2) Let's assume I were to buy one and have an ISF calibration done. How often should I expect to need a return visit from an ISF calibrator to keep the set in top-notch convergence and picture adjustment shape?
My current plan (pending the resolution of some questions about picture adjustments) is to purchase the 61" D'Ahlia JVC. Why? Because it can never become mis-converged, can never burn in, and I would expect that the color adjustments and such would be very stable barring lamp aging effects if any. This set is available from multiple sources for ~$7000.
However, I'm open to other possibilities if the price/performance ratio is right.
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(Formerly "ReplayMike", but no longer affiliated with the company; these opinions are mine alone.)
| Originally posted by RSongco: 64" vs. 73" for the same price? What's to decide? Especially since the calibration, line doubler and red push concerns are now non-issues. Put it this way: no other RPTV would elicit words like "behemoth" and "gargantuan" from my friends when they first see it. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif |
1) What's the best price people are seeing for this Mits?
2) Let's assume I were to buy one and have an ISF calibration done. How often should I expect to need a return visit from an ISF calibrator to keep the set in top-notch convergence and picture adjustment shape?
My current plan (pending the resolution of some questions about picture adjustments) is to purchase the 61" D'Ahlia JVC. Why? Because it can never become mis-converged, can never burn in, and I would expect that the color adjustments and such would be very stable barring lamp aging effects if any. This set is available from multiple sources for ~$7000.
However, I'm open to other possibilities if the price/performance ratio is right.
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Mike Kobb
(Formerly "ReplayMike", but no longer affiliated with the company; these opinions are mine alone.)
Okay, couple of quick questions.
1) What's the best price people are seeing for this Mits?
Well, Crazy Eddies has it for $5800 and change,not a authorized dealer ...Model ws73907
"The Wiz" just lower the price to 6999 from 7999 (authorized)
"P.C Richard and son"(authorized) told me they will beat the Wiz
I'm waiting for the 2002 models to hit the stores hoping it will bring down the price of the 2001 models just a tad more.
The upgrade is under 1 grand for the 2001 models...the total cost will be cheaper than the 2002 models ( minor differences in models)
----------------------------------------------------------2) Let's assume I were to buy one and have an ISF calibration done. How often should I expect to need a return visit from an ISF calibrator to keep the set in top-notch convergence and picture adjustment shape?
Good question ..
I'm not sure about this but , i would think it would be good for a few years( 3-5) depending on usage.
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My current plan (pending the resolution of some questions about picture adjustments) is to purchase the 61" D'Ahlia JVC. Why? Because it can never become mis-converged, can never burn in, and I would expect that the color adjustments and such would be very stable barring lamp aging effects if any. This set is available from multiple sources for ~$7000.
I don't know much about the D'Ahlia , sorry!
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1) What's the best price people are seeing for this Mits?
Well, Crazy Eddies has it for $5800 and change,not a authorized dealer ...Model ws73907
"The Wiz" just lower the price to 6999 from 7999 (authorized)
"P.C Richard and son"(authorized) told me they will beat the Wiz
I'm waiting for the 2002 models to hit the stores hoping it will bring down the price of the 2001 models just a tad more.
The upgrade is under 1 grand for the 2001 models...the total cost will be cheaper than the 2002 models ( minor differences in models)
----------------------------------------------------------2) Let's assume I were to buy one and have an ISF calibration done. How often should I expect to need a return visit from an ISF calibrator to keep the set in top-notch convergence and picture adjustment shape?
Good question ..
I'm not sure about this but , i would think it would be good for a few years( 3-5) depending on usage.
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My current plan (pending the resolution of some questions about picture adjustments) is to purchase the 61" D'Ahlia JVC. Why? Because it can never become mis-converged, can never burn in, and I would expect that the color adjustments and such would be very stable barring lamp aging effects if any. This set is available from multiple sources for ~$7000.
I don't know much about the D'Ahlia , sorry!
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(1) Two years ago I paid $7200 for my Mits 73" when the list price was $9999 at good guys, which now lists it for $7999. So I'm certain you can get it much closer to your price point if you ask around (it's a protected brand but some dealers are willing to work with you).
(2) Not sure why you would require a return visit from an ISF calibrator once he sets it and leaves you a copy of the proper settings. Never had mine calibrated beyond Video Essentials however. Convergence does drift over time but it's simple to fix every 6 months or so.
The D'Ahlia is a D-ILA model so it's really apples-to-oranges. In that regard it's really closer to the Mits WD-6500 DLP TV. No convergence worries, wider viewing angle, but poor blacks and inferior contrast.
In the end it's obviously a matter of preference, but I would still argue that size does matter.
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| Originally posted by JustMike: Okay, couple of quick questions. 1) What's the best price people are seeing for this Mits? 2) Let's assume I were to buy one and have an ISF calibration done. How often should I expect to need a return visit from an ISF calibrator to keep the set in top-notch convergence and picture adjustment shape? My current plan (pending the resolution of some questions about picture adjustments) is to purchase the 61" D'Ahlia JVC. Why? Because it can never become mis-converged, can never burn in, and I would expect that the color adjustments and such would be very stable barring lamp aging effects if any. This set is available from multiple sources for ~$7000. However, I'm open to other possibilities if the price/performance ratio is right. [/b] |
(2) Not sure why you would require a return visit from an ISF calibrator once he sets it and leaves you a copy of the proper settings. Never had mine calibrated beyond Video Essentials however. Convergence does drift over time but it's simple to fix every 6 months or so.
The D'Ahlia is a D-ILA model so it's really apples-to-oranges. In that regard it's really closer to the Mits WD-6500 DLP TV. No convergence worries, wider viewing angle, but poor blacks and inferior contrast.
In the end it's obviously a matter of preference, but I would still argue that size does matter.
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I have to put a vote in for the Zenith. Having had this set for about a year and a half, I've still seen nothing that's looked as good or better to my eyes.
Blue Rain,
Remember when comparing sets, you must use apples to apples for your comparison. You mention you favor the ISF'd Mits over the "out of box" Zenith. This is not a fair comparison. See a Zenith that's been ISF'd and compare THAT to an ISF'd Mits or other set. That's what made me decide on the Zenith. Also consider that any review you read on a set that was not or could not be ISF'd does not begin to tell you the full story. I've read very very few reviews where the reviewer did not ISF the set. Gary Merson's current review of the JVC indicated he could not ISF the set because of a lack of info from JVC. Gary always trys to calibrate any set he reviews. Until we see a properly calibrated JVC, we have to reserve judgement.
Blue Rain,
Remember when comparing sets, you must use apples to apples for your comparison. You mention you favor the ISF'd Mits over the "out of box" Zenith. This is not a fair comparison. See a Zenith that's been ISF'd and compare THAT to an ISF'd Mits or other set. That's what made me decide on the Zenith. Also consider that any review you read on a set that was not or could not be ISF'd does not begin to tell you the full story. I've read very very few reviews where the reviewer did not ISF the set. Gary Merson's current review of the JVC indicated he could not ISF the set because of a lack of info from JVC. Gary always trys to calibrate any set he reviews. Until we see a properly calibrated JVC, we have to reserve judgement.
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