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Why on this beautiful blue-green ball do we not have at least a handful of 60" LCD televisions?


I'm certain someone with more technical knowledge can explain to me why plasma's can be made by the ten's of thousands in 60" screen sizes but LCD's cannot?


Hell, I'd take a 55" under $4k.


I can only imagine the annual sales lost to plasma simply on the 52" glass-ceiling limitation in LCD screen size (generally speaking).


It just makes no sense to me, if you can snatch up a 120hz 52" around 2k, what prevents a 55", 58", or 60" at the $3500 price-point (or less!)? Surely there's a significant enough demand to warrant production. Seems to be profitable for Pioneer and Panasonic?


BTW, they (Pio and Panny) must be giving high-fives every week that goes by, knowing LCD has no real viable alternative to their "big-screen".


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I bought a 55" 950 for well under $4K at BB so not sure what you are talking about


Not sure what I'm talking about?


Well, firstly I'm mainly speaking about a 60" television. I only called out for an affordable 55" as kind of a quasi "plea of desperation".


Secondly, currently BB has the 950 on SALE at $4399, which is about as low as I've seen it at a B&M. Hell, even the most bottom-barreled online vendors have it at $4k. With that knowledge onboard, I'd say getting it "well below" $4000 from an authorized B&M would indeed be a find-and-a-half. Certainly nowhere near what 99% paid for the set.


Thirdly, you offered up a SINGLE television (that really doesn't fit my parameters anyways). If you re-read my OP you'll understand why that conflicts with the original premise of the thread.


Again, I'm wondering why there is not a decent selection of 58 and 60" LCD televisions.


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Again, I'm wondering why there is not a decent selection of 58 and 60" LCD televisions.

Not sure if this qualifies as decent but Costco has the Sharp 65" for $3500 with a 2 year warranty (3 if you use an Amex card.)


However, by your post, it is hard to determine if you are looking for only 60 inches....meaning that 65 is too big for your application.
 

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Not sure if this qualifies as decent but Costco has the Sharp 65" for $3500 with a 2 year warranty (3 if you use an Amex card.)


However, by your post, it is hard to determine if you are looking for only 60 inches....meaning that 65 is too big for your application.

Not at all (as far as a 65" being too large). 60" plus is just fine. "Decent" was in reference to the selection size.


Sharp was really the only manu I thought could meet the 60"+ and under 4k parameter, but I haven't seen a Sharp set I'd pay nearly 4 grand for yet, with all due respect to Sharp owners.


So we have one. Is there an LG, perhaps?


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Not sure what I'm talking about?


Well, firstly I'm mainly speaking about a 60" television. I only called out for an affordable 55" as kind of a quasi "plea of desperation".


Secondly, currently BB has the 950 on SALE at $4399, which is about as low as I've seen it at a B&M. Hell, even the most bottom-barreled online vendors have it at $4k. With that knowledge onboard, I'd say getting it "well below" $4000 from an authorized B&M would indeed be a find-and-a-half. Certainly nowhere near what 99% paid for the set.


Thirdly, you offered up a SINGLE television (that really doesn't fit my parameters anyways). If you re-read my OP you'll understand why that conflicts with the original premise of the thread.


Again, I'm wondering why there is not a decent selection of 58 and 60" LCD televisions.


jesus.


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You said: "Hell, I'd take a 55" under $4k." and I told you I bought it for well under $4000 from Best Buy. The prices posted on their website are meaningless if you can negotiate.


But the real point is that the prices are what they are and the reason is what their competition dictates, not what people wish the price to be. Complaining about them is wasted breath. I saw a guy here complaining that the Kuro Elite 60" isn't under $2500. I guess I don't understand all whining about prices.
 

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You said: "Hell, I'd take a 55" under $4k." and I told you I bought it for well under $4000 from Best Buy. The prices posted on their website are meaningless if you can negotiate.


But the real point is that the prices are what they are and the reason is what their competition dictates, not what people wish the price to be. Complaining about them is wasted breath. I saw a guy here complaining that the Kuro Elite 60" isn't under $2500. I guess I don't understand all whining about prices.

Sir:


Firstly, I'll fall back upon my earlier post regarding your "well-below $4,000 purchase of a samsung 950". The fact is that securing this television "well below" $4k from a B&M would be considered an aberration, since it is nowhere near the already reduced marketplace price for it. Further, I would invite you to call 30 non-authorized online dealers all asking 4k and up to lower their price "well-below" 4k and survey their response.


Let me put it another way: if it has been shown that 60"+ televisions can be manufactured and sold at a profit, why are they virtually non-existent in the LCD marketplace?


I'm kind of shocked that I've restated this basic premise twice now.


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Surely you don't believe there isn't a market for 60" LCD TV's? I'm still waiting for one of our "supertech" friends to jump in here, but my guess is that a jump like this in screen size would somehow be cost-prohibitive in the LCD world, even though plasma manages to profit from it.


This is my intuition, I could be wrong. That said, I can assure you that 60" 120hz LCD televisions would almost certainly overtake plasmas (sales-wise) just as quickly as their reduced-size bretheren (rightly or wrongly) have. I'd bet my next months pay on that.


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Sir:


Firstly, I'll fall back upon my earlier post regarding your "well-below $4,000 purchase of a samsung 950". The fact is that securing this television "well below" $4k from a B&M would be considered an aberration, since it is nowhere near the already reduced marketplace price for it. Further, I would invite you to call 30 non-authorized online dealers all asking 4k and up to lower their price "well-below" 4k and survey their response.


Let me put it another way: if it has been shown that 60"+ televisions can be manufactured and sold at a profit, why are they virtually non-existent in the LCD marketplace?


I'm kind of shocked that I've restated this basic premise twice now.


James

Quit making assumptions about other people's ability to negotiate and the real market price. I could cut the same deal again today and so could MANY others. If you can't then that your issue.


I'm kinda shocked that you don't understand their marketing strategies. These prices are not guesstimates but finely developed strategies and that change based on various economic and competitive pressures. You keep asking the same redundant question. The price is what it is and you have the option to pay or not to pay. Could Mercedes sell their $100K car for $60K and still make a profit? Yes, BUT THEY DON'T. The whining gets old.
 

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Quit making assumptions about other people's ability to negotiate and the real market price. I could cut the same deal again today and so could MANY others. If you can't then that your issue.


I'm kinda shocked that you don't understand their marketing strategies. These prices are not guesstimates but finely developed strategies and that change based on various economic and competitive pressures. You keep asking the same redundant question. The price is what it is and you have the option to pay or not to pay. Could Mercedes sell their $100K car for $60K and still make a profit? Yes, BUT THEY DON'T. The whining gets old.

Sir:


I'm sorry you can't address why LCD television manufacturers do not produce 60" televisions without applying a generic "marketplace strategy" reply.


I'm not discussing the prices of LCD televisions. I'm attempting to create a dialogue that addresses the absence of 60" LCD televisions. You've contributed nothing to the conversation other than to continue to re-apply a personal purchase that is not only WELL BELOW the overwhelming majority of free-market vendors, but is essentially meaningless to the crux of the proposition.


I commend you on your purchase. Is that what you really want to hear? The reality is, REGARDLESS of your personal experience, that next to no one will purchase this TV under $4,000. This notion just cannot be taken any further I'm afraid.


PLEASE, can someone now offer up an explanation as to why there are not 60 and 60+" LCD televisions to compete with plasma counterparts?


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these are not "assumptions" about anything, BTW. These are FACTS. There's a massive distinction between the two.


Because I "negotiated" a deal at a honda dealer for a $23,000 Accord at $18,000 doesn't mean that the market price for a honda accord is $18,000. The "market price" would be determined by the mean purchase price of all consumers, not my unusually reduced purchase price (that would be called an outlier).


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Sir:


I'm sorry you can't address why LCD television manufacturers do not produce 60" televisions without applying a generic "marketplace strategy" reply.


I'm not discussing the prices of LCD televisions. I'm attempting to create a dialogue that addresses the absence of 60" LCD televisions. You've contributed nothing to the conversation other than to continue to re-apply a personal purchase that is not only WELL BELOW the overwhelming majority of free-market vendors, but is essentially meaningless to the crux of the proposition.


I commend you on your purchase. Is that what you really want to hear? The reality is, REGARDLESS of your personal experience, that next to no one will purchase this TV under $4,000. This notion just cannot be taken any further I'm afraid.


PLEASE, can someone now offer up an explanation as to why there are not 60 and 60+" LCD televisions to compete with plasma counterparts?


thanks!


James

Sir,


Manufacturing costs?

Panel availabilty?
 

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The guy is asking why there is so few large LCDs available. Can you people not read properly?
 

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Sir,


Manufacturing costs?

Panel availabilty?

Well, exactly.


The availability of 60" panels is likely ZERO seeing there are virtually no 60" LCDS being produced.


As far as the COST of producing them, that's my question. I'm assuming the cost of production IS prohibitive, but I'm not an expert. I DO NOT think the case is that there is no market for larger screened LCD's, that's for certain.


I was hoping someone has a more definitive answer though, as plasmas seem to be produced and sold just fine in 58/60" sizes.


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Knowing Omelet, nope.



But seriously, I'm wondering that myself. I would think LCD would start bigger screens, eventually, as they did with the ~50". Give it time, it'll happen once cost of production decrease and technology matures. It is quite recent since LCD even started to go big and compete with plasma in the larger size panel area.


There's a 70" LCD from Sony on a special for about $17,000.00. If you can stomach the price.
. Once that sucker gets down to a respectable level, say...8k, I think that will be when we see 60" LCD for 3500ish.
 

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The guy is asking why there is so few large LCDs available. Can you people not read properly?

sweet jesus. Someone got it.


I felt like I threw up a final jeopardy question.


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Won't larger panels appear once the newer plants are up and running later this year. The newer plants are supposed tobe able to produce larger panels.
 

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The guy is asking why there is so few large LCDs available. Can you people not read properly?

I thought I answered it?


Manufacturing Costs?
 

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Won't larger panels appear once the newer plants are up and running later this year. The newer plants are supposed tobe able to produce larger panels.


Man I hope you're right. I'm waiting for CES, If they announce a $3500 55" or $4,000 60", I'll wait, as I know those sets will be discounted to $3000-$3500 (prolly less, just look at the XBR6 52"!) in a matter of months. If not, it's Kuro city, I'm afraid.


LED backlighting would be a bonus, not mandatory. Unlike most, I think the blacks on the current Sony's and Samsungs are adequate 90+% of the time, and I'm not yet ready to pay a ridiculous premium for LED's


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