You left JVC off your list. They make some excellent LCDs and testing supports their claim of proper deinterlacing. http://hometheatermag.com/hookmeup/0506halfrez/
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Who uses the best deinterlacer/processor?
I am in the market for a 42" LCD/Plasma (most likely LCD) in early 2007. THis will be used in a family room that needs to fit in an existing entertainment.
I am interested in TVs that have good processing. I want a good picture, including 1080i sources, which tend to look like crap, if not processed properly.
I don't want to go the external processor route as I already have a DVDO for the HT projection system. I am quite happy with it, but don't want to spend another $3K for another processor.
I was planning to stick with the brand names as I am assuming that the cheaper Vizio, Westinghouse type displays do not have good deinterlacers and scalers - please tell me otherwise if I am incorrect. This TV will need to support both SD as well as HD Cable and a hi-def DVD format.
Pioneer - Expensive
Fujitsu - Expensive
Panasonic
Sharp
Samsung
Hitachi
I would also prefer 1:1 pixel mapping and the ability to accept a native input.
Can anyone give me feedback on what they think is the best solution and why?
1080p is not a requirement, but preferred as this probably gives the best 1080i picture. If not processed properly, the 1080i picture will look like crap. The viewing distances will be at least 10' and often 16'+.
I am interested in TVs that have good processing. I want a good picture, including 1080i sources, which tend to look like crap, if not processed properly.
I don't want to go the external processor route as I already have a DVDO for the HT projection system. I am quite happy with it, but don't want to spend another $3K for another processor.
I was planning to stick with the brand names as I am assuming that the cheaper Vizio, Westinghouse type displays do not have good deinterlacers and scalers - please tell me otherwise if I am incorrect. This TV will need to support both SD as well as HD Cable and a hi-def DVD format.
Pioneer - Expensive
Fujitsu - Expensive
Panasonic
Sharp
Samsung
Hitachi
I would also prefer 1:1 pixel mapping and the ability to accept a native input.
Can anyone give me feedback on what they think is the best solution and why?
1080p is not a requirement, but preferred as this probably gives the best 1080i picture. If not processed properly, the 1080i picture will look like crap. The viewing distances will be at least 10' and often 16'+.
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NMlobo... do you know of a more updated list?
No, sorry I do not. This listing is not very old (May 06). But I know many new sets have hit the market since it was published. I would say if you find a brand where most of their listed sets passed you should be okay.
You are missing NEC... highly regarded for their scalars/de-interlacers...highly...not cheap...but not Fujistu or Pio Elite$$$
Your post says it all - the most expensive ones have the best internal processing - the pioneer elite models and the Fujitsu's. I own a couple of Panasonic's and am considering the new 65" 1080P strictly because of it's size. I have evaluated the 50" market extensively and feel that I would not buy the 50" Panasonic again - only the FUjitsu or Pioneer based almost exlusively on the processing. The recent Panasonic models have a eaker processor (although better blacks) than in prior year models. This manifests itself the most on non HD sources.
If you really want the best of the best, then you should consider the upcoming Syntax Olevia 747i, which uses the ultra high-end Silicon Optix HQV Realta chip. This thing is widely considered one of, if not the best deinterlacers/scalers/video processing chips on the market. Of course, the set will set you back about $5K MSRP for the 47" version.
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Second for NEC - hard to find to check out, but many forum sponsors will guarantee your satisfaction.
I looked at literally everything, and went with the NEC from Plasma Concepts (forum sponsor).
| Originally Posted by bvader You are missing NEC... highly regarded for their scalars/de-interlacers...highly...not cheap...but not Fujistu or Pio Elite$$$ |
I looked at literally everything, and went with the NEC from Plasma Concepts (forum sponsor).
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Interesting news - but please tell me this new "high end" line from Olevia has better looking bezels - their entry level stuff is hideous.
| Originally Posted by bennynihon If you really want the best of the best, then you should consider the upcoming Syntax Olevia 747i, which uses the ultra high-end Silicon Optix HQV Realta chip. This thing is widely considered one of, if not the best deinterlacers/scalers/video processing chips on the market. Of course, the set will set you back about $5K MSRP for the 47" version. |
http://www.electronichouse.com/poty/14726.html
That speaker can be removed. I don't mind having an minimal case if the picture shines. I am intrigued but may be a bit out of my price range.
That speaker can be removed. I don't mind having an minimal case if the picture shines. I am intrigued but may be a bit out of my price range.
There are talks about Pioneer 507cmx+key digital card. Supposedly the PQ is equvalent to the Elite line of Pioneer and the cost is at par with their consumer model. 507cmx is not out yet.(They say anytime). The ppl giving PQ references have used it's predecessor 505CMX.
Key digital site says that they do 1:1 mapping for all the diiferent input formats including 480i, so SD on these sets should look good.
Key digital site says that they do 1:1 mapping for all the diiferent input formats including 480i, so SD on these sets should look good.
As noted above, Silicon Optix Realta (HQV) is current state of the art processor. At this time, available only in 7 series Olevia Syntax sets. And yes, if the bezel is more important than performance, the 7 series has an upscale bezel without the "look at me" aesthetics found with the xbr Sony. Even with an MSRP of $5k, street price is no worse than your cheapest 46xbr3 on ebay. This set comes able to display 1:1, and is professionally ISF calibrated out of the box.
Your other viable options will indeed come from Pioneer or NEC or JVC.....not Sony......and not Samsung.
You know, people are spending $3K or better for external processors in the league of HQV. Viewed that way, these sets are costly for a reason.
Your other viable options will indeed come from Pioneer or NEC or JVC.....not Sony......and not Samsung.
You know, people are spending $3K or better for external processors in the league of HQV. Viewed that way, these sets are costly for a reason.
does the chip have a patent? would be nice if someone stuck these babies in a plasma. drool.
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I think the way it works is the manufacturers pay licensing fees to Silicon Optix for the use of the technology in their sets. The company spent $24 million to develop the chip from the $60,000 Xantus system. To date, only Olevia has gone this route in the lcd market. I know there are now projectors and other video equipment employing HQV with spectacular results.
I know of no reason why HQV cannot be configured for plasma applications, and it's quite possible to see this happen in the future.
If plasma is your cup of tea, then Pioneer and NEC appear to be the top tier picks at this time.
For detailed information about HQV, consult post #753, pg 26, of the New Olevia Syntax tv thread. Two links, one to the manufacturer website.
| Originally Posted by whityfrd does the chip have a patent? would be nice if someone stuck these babies in a plasma. drool. |
I know of no reason why HQV cannot be configured for plasma applications, and it's quite possible to see this happen in the future.
If plasma is your cup of tea, then Pioneer and NEC appear to be the top tier picks at this time.
For detailed information about HQV, consult post #753, pg 26, of the New Olevia Syntax tv thread. Two links, one to the manufacturer website.
anyone know what processor JVC use?
Seems ppl keep saying that it's far & away the best for a current LCD.
Seems ppl keep saying that it's far & away the best for a current LCD.
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Is that their in-house solution? Whatever it is, it definitely works. Can't wait to see their new 120 khz models! 
| Originally Posted by Nmlobo JVC uses GENESSA processing |
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I believe that it is. But no matter who makes it, it does an excellent job!! I own a 40" JVC with a 5th Gen Genessa processor. The dispaly is awesome - SD and HD!
| Originally Posted by jvernon Is that their in-house solution? Whatever it is, it definitely works. Can't wait to see their new 120 khz models! |
Just for the record. Vizio uses what I understand to be a great de'interlacer. Faroudja DCDI I believe is what its called. I'm not sure how it compares to the others but it is supposed to be good.
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You'll have to wait a long time. That's a 1000 x faster refresh rate than their upcoming 120 hz model
| Originally Posted by jvernon Is that their in-house solution? Whatever it is, it definitely works. Can't wait to see their new 120 khz models! |
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