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Why is cable so expensive? This is how my Time Warner Cable bill looks every month:


Basic Service- $13.90

Digital Service- $63.50

Cable Box-

($7.10 each, 2 cables boxes) $14.20

Remotes-

($.25 each, 2 remotes) $.50

Earthlink Standard Internet- $44.95

TOTAL= $137.05


Over $135 a month. Isn't that dandy. And the rates keep going up too. One day, I may get real fed up and just decide to use dial-up internet again and go back to OTA broadcast. This is ridiculous. Why on earth is cable such a rip-off?
 

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TW fees are pretty much in line with other cable providers.


You can go satellite and add in DSL or cable internet and still not too much difference.


Internet and expanded basic (no digital, no STB) for Comcast in my area is ~$105.


Dial-up internet should not even be a consideration IMO. Just drop digital. You won't need the STB's/remotes and your monthly fees will drop.
 

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Yeah, those rates are similar to mine.


Cable rates will only drop if something came along to compete with it and steal customers. So you can thank all your fellow customers who pay their bills and stick with the status quo for your rates. Cable has no obligation to lower their rates on a whim. They'll price it right where people pay it, which in your case is $137 a month.


Obviously with the presence of satellite and maybe FiOS, you have alternatives, but if they're undesirable, then there's not much you can do.
 

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Greed! And the ability to load you up with dozens of channels you don't watch. Give me ESPN, TNT, TBS, and the networks and I am good.


I have many times added up DISH and Direct and they are not really any cheaper given cable internet price goes up if your not a TV subscriber.


I find $130-$150/month for a wire with internet and commercial TV to be obscene. I am anxiously waiting for the competition to get fiber in my neck of the woods.


And I am curious how much longer the sat/cable providers will continue to charge a premium for HD.
 

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Greed!

How is that different from ANY other industry?
 

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Here's Verizon FiOS bill:




I now use TivoHDs (1TB for 160+ HD hours) exclusively with Verizon, having given up my Verizon DVRs.


I've got the FiOS "Double Flex" bundle with 20/5 Internet and HD Extreme for $79.99/mo. FiOS' HD Extreme includes 220+ digital channels and 60-65 HD channels.


With two CableCards (for the TivoHDs), I pay a total of $89.82/mo after tax.
 

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The "double flex" bundle...

Is that the "extreme HD discount" and "flex bundle" items?


Is one, other or both part of an introductory offer that is a limited "discount"?


Nice price... but the price of an STB/DVR added (whether TiVO or rental) still can offset that quickly and align with competitors.
 

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I find many industries that seem to have fair and competitive pricing. The main Cable/Sat. dinosaurs simply are not a member of that club.

But the cable and sat companies are competitive with each other. So they charge up to the limits, just like any other industry. They're not going to lower the price just because you don't like the price. If you don't like it, cancel. If enough people do it, the price will drop right down.

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Nice price... but the price of an STB/DVR added (whether TiVO or rental) still can offset that quickly and align with competitors.

That's what I was thinking. I was going to ask what his TiVo subscription was, or whether he went for the lifetime fee. With the DVR, I imagine FiOS would be back up to cable's costs, maybe give or take a few bucks. Still within the price structure of most television content delivery.

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Comcast cable doesn't charge extra for HD channels.

Neither does TimeWarnerCable. At least not for the locals.
 

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Comcast cable doesn't charge extra for HD channels.

Well... in a sense they do. You still have to subscribe to a digital tier and rent an STB if you want the HD channels that you already subscribe to with expanded basic and receive via analog. (excepting "locals"/clear QAM)
 

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IF you can get AT&T and satellite:


TURBO ALL-HD Silver Package from Dish w/locals (with one, free dual-tunered 222): $37.99 (or Top 100 SD's w/locals and one, free 322 dual-tuner: same price - or, $32.99 using free OTA for HD and SD locals)


AT&T High Speed Basic Internet (to customers who haven't subscribed in at least 12 months): $10.00


AT&T Consumer's Choice Plus (phone): $19.85


Monthly cost: $68.84 + applicable taxes (without Dish locals, using free OTA: $63.84/month + applicable taxes)
 

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Comcast cable doesn't charge extra for HD channels.

If you want HD from Comcast the min. is 54.20 standard cable and 14.95 for digital box etc.


If you want low def you can have basic cable for $9.00. Now I don't actually know if you get free clear QAM HD locals with basic... but it is clearly not marketed that way; the HD locals are NOT listed in the basic cable channel listing.


Sounds like they're charging xtra to me. While they no longer come out and say it like the sat companies do (they used to), you still pay a significant premium for HD, even if it is just the locals. Forcing you to take 100 channels of crap just to get locals and ESPN in HD should be illegal.
 

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Well... in a sense they do. You still have to subscribe to a digital tier and rent an STB if you want the HD channels that you already subscribe to with expanded basic and receive via analog. (excepting "locals"/clear QAM)

Digital Starter = Standard service w/ an SD box for the same price. If one wants, a CableCard can be substituted for the SD Box for no extra fee. Without a CC, an HD box fee is indeed needed. My point really was there is/are no HD service(s) per se. I thought it would go w/o saying that the upgraded HD box rental fee would still apply, if no CC.
 

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If you want HD from Comcast the min. is 54.20 standard cable and 14.95 for digital box etc.

Not true.

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If you want low def you can have basic cable for $9.00. Now I don't actually know if you get free clear QAM HD locals with basic... but it is clearly not marketed that way; the HD locals are NOT listed in the basic cable channel listing.


Sounds like they're charging xtra to me. While they no longer come out and say it like the sat companies do (they used to), you still pay a significant premium for HD, even if it is just the locals. Forcing you to take 100 channels of crap just to get locals and ESPN in HD should be illegal.

It is well-documented on AVS, that with Comcast, one can get HD Locals with Ltd. Basic, either via clear-QAM or an HD Box rental. Here the channels/services card indeed shows HD Locals as part of Ltd. Basic.


They don't force one to take Expd Basic (resulting in Digital Starter), nor Digital Classic, although they will try very much to sell them, or not make one aware of all of the choices. That is why people need to look at what is in writing on their prices/services card and channels/services card.


ESPN-HD is part of Expd. Basic, so they do make you take many channels, more like 70, though.


Comcast has standardized it's HD channel tiering in many systems.


Ltd. Basic = HD Locals

Digital Starter (Standard in Digital) = HD Standards and HD exclusives

Digital Classic (can be purchased a la carte) = HD Digital Classics

Premiums = HD Premiums.


Sure looks like no extra to me. They even throw in HD exclusives in Digital Starter, which many people have already.


Some areas may still vary, though.
 

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My point really was there is/are no HD service(s) per se.

The Comcast website indicates that:

1) sub to digital starter (HD free for 6 months) and introductory promotional price $39.99. After 6 months, Price goes up to $57.20 and no HD (except locals)

2) HD package with digital starter is $9.95 (+ HD receiver rental)


So there is a " service fee" for HD.

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HDTV for customers with Basic, Standard or Digital Starter


There was a time when you thought your old TV looked just fine. Then you saw HDTV. The clarity. The vivid color. The wide-screen format. And your only question was, how do I get it? If you have an "HD-capable" or an "HD-ready" TV set, a Comcast HD box is the only additional equipment you need (available for a small monthly fee). So there's no need to buy a separate HD receiver, decoder or antenna.
http://www.comcast.com/Shop/Buyflow/...-HPROMOCABLETV
 
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