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I no Hitachi and no 2 guys with them i have calibrated them with avia and still do not like the pc.I am assuming the pastel problem is the bad skin tone and fuzzy ness these tvs display and also the bad red push.I think the new mitsu,s will have dvi .Is this the reason no one seems to buy mits or is it most mits guys are happy with there tv's?I will be buying a new tv in summer fall when the new models start hitting .My options will be the mits 65 and Hitachi 65 ( because they come apart and will have to go down a 90 stair case ) I am also considering the sammy dlp 60 or sony gw 2 or 3 60 just curious for any input?
 

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I do no for a fact the new diamond 65 will have the 9 inch guns . i have done my home work but was just woundering why no mitsu talk.and you can never no enough.
 

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The Mitusbishi Diamond is a nice set, but is the worst on analog on the market and yes not having DVI is a fear. If you can live with that analog, which I brought one home and just could not, then they are fine. Another problem is that the Mitsu's cannot allow a PIP split picture with either picture digital, and this effect has occurred since they put their internal OTA in a few years ago. That also pissed me off because it won't even allow one HD picture and one analog, where the Hitachi will allow dual HD pictures.


As far as red push, I don't know if you were joking, but Mitsubishi has the absolute , bar none, worst red push on the market and has for years, and Hitachi has no red push when compared to any Mitsubishi. Those are the Big3 though, no DVI, NO pip split with either digital, and no analog that you can possibly watch and not just freak out. At the same time the Hitachi has not one, but all 3 of those problems licked.


IN closing I had a 65xwx before I swapped to my 57swx and I found the picture to be off on HD programming. AFter I bought it the stores put some 65's on display and I found all of them to suffer from this problem, but maybe it is different where you live, but I would make sure to get a real good look at the 65 on display. It may be something that calibrating can get rid of, but it was a large haze over the image and the 57 had no signs of it, either in the store or in my set at home. If you get a Mitsubishi, you may want to hunt down Cheezmo because he is a calibrator that seems to somewhat specialize in that type. I am curious to see how the Mitsu will look with 9 inch guns, because that 73 already looks better then the 65 even with bigger screen, so with even screen, it should blow doors on all, but at how much additional cost? Good luck.
 

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ya i no about mits red push.but my Friends 51 swx 3 month old had a 30 % red push that is just as bad as mitsu.i will be running hd dish or cable 10 %of the time dvd movies and hd programing the rest of the time .dont care if the tv even has pip never use it .I still cant get over the fuzziness or out of focus and bad skin tone on the hitachi.I want to like it more but pc just is not up to par.I am almost positive the new mitsu's will have dvi because the fair cable act (or somthing like that) I have read the press release from mits. thanks for your input
 

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In general, the lack of exciting, innovative products limit the discussion on this board.


Thinks like the Samsung DLPs and the Toshiba LCOS get a lot of "press" and dull RPTVs that do a bad job of displaying SD video get less.


I surely hope Mitsubishi puts out some products worth discussing soon.


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In general, the lack of exciting, innovative products limit the discussion on this board.

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Mark,

I beg to differ, this forum is heavy on Hitachi, Tosh and Sony. There is plenty of Mits discussion if you look for it. There are some other forums that are strongly Mits. It just depends on where you look. It is certainly not due to the lack of exciting, innovative products.
 

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The Mitusbishi Diamond is a nice set, but is the worst on analog on the market and yes not having DVI is a fear. If you can live with that analog, which I brought one home and just could not, then they are fine. Another problem is that the Mitsu's cannot allow a PIP split picture with either picture digital, and this effect has occurred since they put their internal OTA in a few years ago. That also pissed me off because it won't even allow one HD picture and one analog, where the Hitachi will allow dual HD pictures.


As far as red push, I don't know if you were joking, but Mitsubishi has the absolute , bar none, worst red push on the market and has for years, and Hitachi has no red push when compared to any Mitsubishi. Those are the Big3 though, no DVI, NO pip split with either digital, and no analog that you can possibly watch and not just freak out. At the same time the Hitachi has not one, but all 3 of those problems licked.


IN closing I had a 65xwx before I swapped to my 57swx and I found the picture to be off on HD programming. AFter I bought it the stores put some 65's on display and I found all of them to suffer from this problem, but maybe it is different where you live, but I would make sure to get a real good look at the 65 on display. It may be something that calibrating can get rid of, but it was a large haze over the image and the 57 had no signs of it, either in the store or in my set at home. If you get a Mitsubishi, you may want to hunt down Cheezmo because he is a calibrator that seems to somewhat specialize in that type. I am curious to see how the Mitsu will look with 9 inch guns, because that 73 already looks better then the 65 even with bigger screen, so with even screen, it should blow doors on all, but at how much additional cost? Good luck.
The red push issue goes away with the 2003-2004 line as Mits is adding full user menu color decoder control. Analog is going away, Mits is adding a new system to deal with analog pictures that substantially improves the pq for the 2003-2004 line.
 

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Yeah, Kipp, you must be right. It's all those thrilling CRT RPTVs that might not have been able to support copy-protected digital content that qualify as exciting, innovative products?


Or did you mean the $15K DLP that is only 3x more expensive than Samsungs?


Or the $21K LCOS set that we're all waiting for?


This is the RPTV forum, and Mitsubishis products were dull. I mean, c'mon.


I'm not saying they sucked, I'm saying they were dull. What the hell is the different between the 2002 model top-of-the-line set and the 2001 model? Does anyone know? Does anyone care?


No!


I want Mitsubishi to thrive because I have been a longtime customer and user. They lost their way. Their anti-DVI stance didn't help people trust them for the future (even though they were doing some they felt was pro-consumer). They "play" in only one TV segment -- which happens to be the lone TV segment that is currently shrinking.


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Why no mits talk?


Certain boards cater to certain brands. Secondly because mits owners they have their own spot specifically for mits users.


The new diamond series looks VERY intriguing. Addicted - its yet to be seen what kind of doubler will be in the new sets. The fact that mits has chosen the superior display technology of 9" CRTs alone says millions about innovative products.
 

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ya i do like the color decoder access on the new models i think this year they are supporting dvi.this maybe a great year for mits.I am also a long time mits owner.and i agree with what everyone has said .I have never had to service a mitsu tv. up to 15 years.i will be looking at the sammy dlp.dont like the stuck mirrors problems or bulb issues.(but i will still look) I also will be checking out the sony xbr that is generation 2 correct ? when are the 3rd gens coming out ? I really dont like to support sony.Stuck pixels bulb life are concerns.Hay while i am asking what about the second gen Toshiba lcos? ( I am also sick of the BIG box crt's)
 

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Yeah, Kipp, you must be right. It's all those thrilling CRT RPTVs that might not have been able to support copy-protected digital content that qualify as exciting, innovative products?


Or did you mean the $15K DLP that is only 3x more expensive than Samsungs?


Or the $21K LCOS set that we're all waiting for?


This is the RPTV forum, and Mitsubishis products were dull. I mean, c'mon.


I'm not saying they sucked, I'm saying they were dull. What the hell is the different between the 2002 model top-of-the-line set and the 2001 model? Does anyone know? Does anyone care?


No!


I want Mitsubishi to thrive because I have been a longtime customer and user. They lost their way. Their anti-DVI stance didn't help people trust them for the future (even though they were doing some they felt was pro-consumer). They "play" in only one TV segment -- which happens to be the lone TV segment that is currently shrinking.


Mark


Mark,

you do have some valid points. :) I still think it comes down to more less what board one visits. :p
 

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ya i no about mits red push.but my Friends 51 swx 3 month old had a 30 % red push that is just as bad as mitsu.i will be running hd dish or cable 10 %of the time dvd movies and hd programing the rest of the time .dont care if the tv even has pip never use it .I still cant get over the fuzziness or out of focus and bad skin tone on the hitachi.I want to like it more but pc just is not up to par.I am almost positive the new mitsu's will have dvi because the fair cable act (or somthing like that) I have read the press release from mits. thanks for your input
But if you are so darn sure of all of this, and on the red push, Mitsubishi is famous for that flaw over all manufacturer's whether you like it or see it or not, but why are asking our reasoning if you you have already just made up your mind?


The fair cable act you are speaking of, I am familiar with, but have never heard of it carrying anything on what inputs you carry, but more that if you sell cable or dish programming, and a person already has a decoder, then it is anti trust to encode the signal in such a way that requires a person to rent or buy an extra box just to decode your HD signal, when it was not necessary before you encoded it, just to rent and sell boxes. That is what that was all about, as I read it, but maybe it also included that, and nobody spoke about it. I had both sets in my house, and in the Hitachi set, 3 of them, with the 57 I tried, the 65 I got and returned as stated above and the 57 I have now, and none of them had red push problems anything close to the order of the Mitsubishi, but you probably know it can be fixed on all of them when calibrated, so if you do that, it is here nor there, in the longrun. You can't go wrong in HD with either set, and if you don't care about PIP, then it should really come down to analog quality, which despite your not seeing red push on Mitsubishi's, I am confident you will see the analog atrosity that is SD in Mitsubishi, so the question is does that matter to you much? If it weren't for that huge problem, then I would own a Mitsubishi Diamond plus, and I even tried to get scalers and doublers to fix the problem. I really love their HD picture, but watching alot of analog sports, was just a killer with the shrinking, grainy, and chubby Mitsubishi SD picture, that I just couldn't live with.


From your last message, it is quite clear that you hate Hitachi's and while it is for reasons that I don't see, and one of them I am now clear that you can only see on certain brand names, but it really sounds like you are just looking for confirmation, so there you have it with me. If you can live with never watching analog without cringing, then you are the proud owner of a Mitsubishi. I wanted that Plus so badly, I actually spent 3 hours on a Sunday watching sports on it at a store, going back and back between events, and I left in serious doubt whether I could deal with it, and then I got home, turned on my Hitachi, and it looked spectacular in SD like usual, and that was that. We all have our main pet peaves, and I only took an interest in yours because you came down to the same 2 sets, but stated the classic reputation of one, as the primary flaw of the other, so I actually thought you were joking. Lastly, on my 65 inch version of the Hitachi, when an ISF came out to see if he could fix my haze problem, he went thru the front panel, and reset that, and in order to get it right, he actually adjusted the tint, 2 clicks to the left which is enhancing the red level, so maybe that will give you a little perspective on how at least my Hitachi looked, even to an expert.
 

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Kipp, fair enough. I have no energy to spar on this one any longer.


Go Mitsu -- get in the game! :)


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