[187]

I heard many times that RP CRT is inferior for gaming and I want to know why ??? Im lurking a panny 47X54 RP CRT and I know about burnin issue but beside this what else should I know ???


Thanks guyz

 

[Joe Redifer]

Well there is the burn in and also the fact that if you wander more than 1 degree off of dead center the picture begins to reuce in quality. You can't exactly have a bunch o' friends sitting around the thing with each of them actually enjoying it.

 

[DaGamePimp]

187 ,


--- What type of gaming are you considering [ PC or Console ... or both ] ?


------- Jason

 

[CardiacArrest]

Joe, you have to have a pretty old RP not to have a good field of view. I can still see my picture good sitting at the computer next to it (53" Hitachi), and we have never had any difficulty with people seeing the picture.


The biggest cons (IMO) to a RP is that you have to be concious of burn-in (I don't play the same game enough for it to be an issue really), and RPs don't put out as much light as direct views, so the room usually needs to be considerably darker.

 

[187]

Im just playing console games, no PC !!!

 

[pelly]

I am getting an xbox soon for my Mits RPTV however one of the big drawbacks for my particular TV is that it accepts 1080i, but does not accept 720p. It appears that HD games only come in 720p so even if the game is in HD I will only be able to play at 480p. I don't know if games will be made for 1080i. I hope so, but my understanding is probably not until the new consoles come out if at all.

 

[eawil]

I think that people think that RP-CRT screens are inferior because they CAN produce burn-in, and the resolutions aren't as friendly to gaming as a DLP, LCD, or Plasma.


I personally never had a problem with burn-in with my Mits RP-CRT. However, I did have MANY "sad" realizations that I couldn't experience 720p Xbox games. Many RP-CRT will limit you to 480i, 480p, and 1080i resolutions. They also do not have a good VGA input scheme, or DVI input area so that you can hook up a HTPC if you want.

 

[shaneotool]

For console games - burn in is the only concern. That being said, I have played games on CRT RP for 5 years with no burn in issues.

 

[Kubrickain]

I think the burn-in issue is overrated that is, if if your tv is set up properly.


I and my son son have been gaming on our RPTV for a while now and no burn-in even after playing the same game for 3 or 4 hours straight...


Get Avia or DVE so you can get the contrast and brightness to an acceptable level it should be fine...

 

[NoThru22]

A CRT RPTV is actually the BEST value for gaming on a big screen. Of course it's not the best, because you can spend three times as much and get a better TV, but that's always true. I don't recommend a panasonic, as always I recommend a Hitachi or even a Sony if you get a good deal on it. Definitely not a Panny CRT RPTV. Or a Mitsu. Don't know about the current Samsungs. As always, stay away from RCA and GE and Akai and other off brands. Check out the CRT RPTV forum.

 

[ChrisFB]

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Originally posted by pelly I am getting an xbox soon for my Mits RPTV however one of the big drawbacks for my particular TV is that it accepts 1080i, but does not accept 720p. It appears that HD games only come in 720p so even if the game is in HD I will only be able to play at 480p. I don't know if games will be made for 1080i. I hope so, but my understanding is probably not until the new consoles come out if at all.

I wouldn't worry too much about the 720p thing. The list of games running 720p is not extensive and just about every really big game doesn't support it. So yeah, you lose out but not in any type of way that is very significant (at least to me - there's not a 720p game that I actually care to play right now and very few in the past none of which are a favorite game). All the next generation consoles will offer full HD support (I believe MSFT and Sony have stated 'full' HD support which MSFT has never claimed for the current Xbox) as the trend is to more compatibility and not less and just about every HD device offers 1080i and 720p now (although there are a number of 1080i only DVHS I believe and 720p only HD camcorders currently on the market). The current Xbox doesn't have the necessary horsepower to do 1080i on more than a few titles (and usually can't pull 720p either) but that will all change which is why the next generation will be the first consoles that can really put out HD resolution and high quality 5.1 audio - the whole crux for us hometheater people.


EDIT:

As to the original topic. A good display is a good display and CRT-RPTV still produces a phenomenal picture quality regardless of price. As far as brands Pioneer (if you can still find them), Hitachi, and Mitsubishi have the reputation of producing the best units. As far as the current Xbox goes only Hitachi will accept 720p over the component inputs scaling it to native 1080i. See my above description of the topic and decide just how much of a factor this is going to be for you on a purchase. I'd be pretty hesitant to pass up a great deal on a Mits or similar over the current Xbox's 720p limitations but that's just me.

 

[Slordak]

Don't gloss over lack of 720p support as a non-issue!


It is quite possible that next generation consoles will have games in 720p, but not in 1080i, despite manufacturer claims of "full HD support". Even if only some percentage of titles have 720p but not 1080i support, you'll be left out, forced to play those titles in 480p. Hence, sets which cannot accept 720p at all may certainly continue to be at a disadvantage (i.e. nothing like supporting only half the standard high definition signals formats).

 

[Version]

720p really is a non-issue if you are looking to buy a new TV. There are very few CRT-RP TVs today that do not accept a 720p signal. Name one current model of the market today that doesn't accept a 720p signal?


CRT-RPTVs will generally not display 720p natively, however. The signal will be upconverted to 1080i for display. This will soften the image slightly but is not a major concern.

 

[Mulch]

I love my Mit's 55" and the kids PS2 games look great on it (and they are 480p).

 

[pelly]

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I hope I am wrong and will know in the next month or so, but my understanding from reading other posts is that the xbox signal is not upconverted. Yes my Mits TV can upconvert Fox's 720p HD broadcast, but the xbox is a different story. I am sure someone will be able to explain why that is.

 

[eawil]

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Originally posted by pelly I hope I am wrong and will know in the next month or so, but my understanding from reading other posts is that the xbox signal is not upconverted. Yes my Mits TV can upconvert Fox's 720p HD broadcast, but the xbox is a different story. I am sure someone will be able to explain why that is.

The Xbox does not convert any signals. If the game produces only 480i, then that's all the Xbox will display. Same with 720p, 1080i, and 480p. What the game produces is what you get.


The Mits, however, does not upconvert (downconvert) any signals. If you have an HD receiver, that piece of electronics converts the 720p to 1080i, or whatever. Most HDTV's are actually HD-Monitors, and just accept whatever is given to them. The Mits RP-CRT's are no exception.

 

[pelly]

Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Version]

The XBox doesn't do any converison the TV does or the set-top box does.


Toshiba, Sony, Panasonic, Hitachi and JVC RPTVs all accept 720p signals and convert them to 1080i for display. XBox or HDTV makes no difference.


Mits TVs are the exception to the rule unfortunately and must rely on a set-top box to convert the signal before it gets to the TV.

 

[ChrisFB]

Regular ATSC television is totally different from Xbox. Take Mits and Pioneer for instance which are two very highly regarded and well knon brands which don't allow 720p through the component inputs on any of their CRT based RPTV models. Mits/Pioneer with internal tuners will both convert 720p with no issues when fed the signal directly through their tuners (ATSC signal not XBox). Mits/Pioneer without internal tuners need a settop box for HDTV anyway so conversion is left at the settop box and then fed through component or DVI to the television. The issue is that neither Pioneer nor Mits will up or downconvert a 720p signal through the component inputs. This is the way the Xbox passes the signal and the Xbox has insufficient power for 1080i (and 720p much of the time). Hence we run into this problem. One of the more recent releases from MSFT specifically addressed the issue of ensuring video compatibility in both 1080i and 720p formats - this was one of their key development points.


BTW - the Xbox can actually upconvert a video (I watch DivX at 1080i all the time). The issue is producing a playable game at HD resolutions which is more involved that simply scaling a video. No one would really call a 480p game upscaled to 1080i HD gaming. Resolution is required at the source.

 

[Dallas_Jose]

The greatness of curent HTPC is they DO work at 1280x720p and look awesome and with the nforce mb have dolby surround sound. No rp-crt can match a 1280x720p display with 1:1 pixel mapping in detail. Most rpcrt tv's in the $1500 offer 1200x960 interlaced at best. No console can match a modern HTPC for graphics either. RP-CRT tv's just aren't pc or console friendly especially for HD gaming since current consoles can't deliver.