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Ok here is one Q??? does any one have a list of what Brands and Model#s are made in Japan?? I tell ya It was disappointing to find out that Top so called Recv from Pioneer were made in Malasia or China along with every one else

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Denon 3808, 4308 and 4310

any one else can add to this list, would be appreciated
 

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I don't understand the dissapointment. Do you have data which proves Japan made receivers are more reliable?
 

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I don't understand the dissapointment. Do you have data which proves Japan made receivers are more reliable?

I have the same question for the OP.

However this has become a hot button issue for many, but seems to mean very little 90% of the time, it's rare when manufacture location makes an actual quantifiable difference.


If you need a product made in Japan to satisfy your needs, then you need to buy local and be able to review the box.


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I don't understand the dissapointment. Do you have data which proves Japan made receivers are more reliable?

I doubt anyone has that, but most countries look to leverage national origin for the purposes of branding and marketing advantage.

Swiss watch movements.

French cooking, wine & perfumes.

German engineering and Shamwow.

Japanese reliability and school girl porn.

Norwegian sardines.

Colombian coffee.

Kansas City steaks.

Georgia peaches.

Hong Kong tailors.
People prefer what they prefer. For whatever reason. Rational or not. Countries brand for whatever reason. Rational or not.


To the OP, I'd suggest your best bets in finding AVR's whose country of origin says Japan, would be to confine yourself to the top tier product of the respective manufacturer. Even then, no guarantees. If you don't want to go to stores, hit up the web, find the top model, and look for a picture on the back where it just might say "Made in Japan". As to what defines "Made in Japan" or "Made in Germany" or wherever, varies from country to country.
 

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With the new Denon models the 3310 and below are made in China. The models above that the 4310 and I will assume here that the upcoming 4810 will also be made in Japan. If I remember correctly the Onkyo's are from Malaysia. NAD was originally fron Britain and is now made in Canada. I believe Yamaha is from Japan also, but would need to check on back of different models to confirm this.
 

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We don't think the world is flat anymore. We think we understand disease and it's not from curses. We think the Earth oribits around the sun and not vice-versa.


Maybe we should consider critical thinking in other areas too, like buying AV gear?
Or I guess we could just cling to preconceived notions, urban legends, unproved assertions and anecdotal evidence
 

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Hello,

The Onkyo's TX-SR805, TX-SR875, and TX-SR905 were initially made in Japan.

I am not entirely sure about latter production models of this series.


The next generation 06 series are now all made in Malaysia including the Onkyo Integra units. I am not entirely sure if the ROW upper range Onkyo's are made in Japan.

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We don't think the world is flat anymore. We think we understand disease and it's not from curses. We think the Earth oribits around the sun and not vice-versa.


Maybe we should consider critical thinking in other areas too, like buying AV gear?
Or I guess we could just cling to preconceived notions, urban legends, unproved assertions and anecdotal evidence

Perhaps the original poster wants to support the Japanese workers/economy?


Your post is just more of the recently-displayed haughty presumptuousness that is flooding avsforum, not-so-deftly hidden behind a couple of smileys.
 

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I know we got a thread not too long ago about equipment made in China. For whatever reason the poster didn't want anything made in China. That thread got chippy pretty quickly. I hope this one doesn't turn out the same way.


I dont look on the back of my equipment to see where it is made. As long as it works I'm happy.
 

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I did not mean to come across as haughty and presumptuous


I did assume the OP thinks Japanese receivers are better made. I know of no data to support that. And I felt the need to question that assumption ( which I assumed existed, which is probably wrong on my part.)


I will admit that's a hot button for me. It feels like prejudicial thinking. Like Chinese are inferior or something. So I apologize if I offended.
 

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Michael, would you buy a Chinese car? What's your confidence level on Chinese drywall? What about meds? What about audio equipment that doesn't have a strong foreign, with respect to China, presence and oversight? Reputations take a long time to build. I don't know how old you are, but I'm old enough to remember when Japanese meant junk. You must've been following the AV123 saga with respect to amps, veneer issues, assembly problems.
 

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It's an interesting topic. I think some reputations are justified. And others maybe not.


The only thing I have consciously sampled from many countries is beer. And the only country I think of as better than any other is Belgium. Probably because of Chimay. If god drank beer, there's a good chance god would drink Chimay.
 

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It's an interesting topic. I think some reputations are justified. And others maybe not.

Sure. Absolutely. You can look at the parent company, read some stuff, ask some questions and get a feel for whether their lower tier models seem predisposed to issues. Depending upon the brand you might feel one way or the other. But sometimes you can research things to death Michael and it just might be easier to go with your gut. In the end we all tend to justify our purchases after the fact.

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The only thing I have consciously sampled from many countries is beer. And the only country I think of as better than any other is Belgium. Probably because of Chimay. If god drank beer, there's a good chance god would drink Chimay.

I simply enjoy sampling microbrews when I go somewhere. I've no particular loyalty. I just enjoy the variety and like to see what's on tap.
 

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My Question was asked Because most of the A/V Companies Are Japanese. We dont need to list cause we all know who they are. Im in the Market for a upgrade and have been doing alot of Reading,research and do find it Dissapointing to have a Top Model Item made in china!! or Malaysia!! Is this a way to Represent you Product!


Is the Lexus , Infinti or Cadillac Made in China???Sorry but how can the Quality of those Countries Stand up to Japan,USA, Germany or any other Country with High Quality Mfg and standards! Then Why go hi end right?? I have not found my Answers that is why I Posted it!


We the Users Probally %80 plus have components made in China, I am a Guitar Player and I will tell yah from Experience their Instruments are Junk!!NOt only Guitars but Tools and most other Items along the with most of their Electronics. Yes many a moons Japan ment Junk to most, BUt I will give credit were credit is due. they Were Major Quality and Leaders in Electronics!!!


So all you owners with the Denons,Onkyo's,Pioneer,Yamaha's and Sony's etc have they held up to the standards, Or is this just a hit and miss??? I dont know?? that is why I asked!! TO me IMO a Component MIJ will always be far superior than China/Malaysia!!!! Is that what We are paying top Dollar for. An Elite or integra made in China!!! Are they that good???
 

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I ma happy with my Yamaha RX-V3900 which was not manufactured in Japan. I was happy with my 2700 which was not either.


I was really happy with my RX-V657 which was a fair priced receiver with every feature I needed at the time, which was also not made in Japan. Of course, HDMI and such has made it hard to make a receiver without some glitches.
 

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Thanks, This is what I was seeking! I am 44 y/o and have owned 3 recievers in my lifetime! A Onkyo and Pioneer and now a Sony! Onkyo is a 2 channel from 85 and still going strong(in the Garage), Pioneer was from 90 and was good too but the Volume knob stopped working(turn and nothing would adjust) I have no Idea were those two are made! The Sony is a Dg720 i picked up for $99 and I know its Made in Malaysia



That Yami 3900 is a nice recv as is the Pioneer SC-09 and Onkyo etc etc

My point was does it matter any more??
 

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My Question was asked Because most of the A/V Companies Are Japanese. We dont need to list cause we all know who they are. Im in the Market for a upgrade and have been doing alot of Reading,research and do find it Dissapointing to have a Top Model Item made in china!! or Malaysia!! Is this a way to Represent you Product!

One thing to keep in mind, is that the factories that manufacture these particular products are models of robotics and automation. I'd venture to say that the hi-tech equipment and technology used in these factories is not made in China. Rather it is imported from Japan, US, Germany, etc. The factories also have a pretty small workforce, and I do mean small, with automation doing most of the work as well as a physical presence by the parent company.

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Is the Lexus , Infinti or Cadillac Made in China???Sorry but how can the Quality of those Countries Stand up to Japan,USA, Germany or any other Country with High Quality Mfg and standards! Then Why go hi end right?? I have not found my Answers that is why I Posted it!

Actually, you'll find that virtually all major car manufacturers are opening up or have opened plants in China. I think that is to primarily serve the growing Chinese market but I can see a time when they'll export.

Quality is what the company wants to make it not the country. For example, a fair number of years ago, VW kicked ass in the USA. They received high marks for relative performance, assembly, and did well in something like Consumer Digest's yearly summaries where owners would comment on a myriad of questions detailing reliability. Then, something happened. They slipped. Plummeted even. Toyota and others kicked their ass. Now, they're improving again. But they've still got to prove themselves once again.

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We the Users Probally %80 plus have components made in China, I am a Guitar Player and I will tell yah from Experience their Instruments are Junk!!NOt only Guitars but Tools and most other Items along the with most of their Electronics. Yes many a moons Japan ment Junk to most, BUt I will give credit were credit is due. they Were Major Quality and Leaders in Electronics!!!

China is such a huge exporter all over the world. You'll get more than your fair share of junk for sure. Maybe you should've bought a Carvin guitar, eh? I usually do my own brakes and replace the rotors rather than resurface them. I had found that the rotors just weren't cutting it. They didn't last as long as the factory ones. I did some digging, asked some questions, and found the ones I was buying were imported from China but they carried the store brand. At that point I called a couple of companies I was familiar with, Bendix and Raybestos, and talked to some application engineers over there regarding their products and country of origin. They stated that initial ventures into China by their companies tended to result in poorly performing products. They had to implement additional procedures and monitor raw materials as well as the manufacturing process to achieve their goals. However, they were not the ones making the store brand. In the end I simply spent more from a more established company to get a rotor that lasted longer and passed on the store brand.

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So all you owners with the Denons,Onkyo's,Pioneer,Yamaha's and Sony's etc have they held up to the standards, Or is this just a hit and miss??? I dont know?? that is why I asked!! TO me IMO a Component MIJ will always be far superior than China/Malaysia!!!! Is that what We are paying top Dollar for. An Elite or integra made in China!!! Are they that good???

Owner surveys, while interesting, can't really be used to determine reliability. While I still own a Sansui receiver from the 70's (Japanese) and it works fine, things are different some 30 odd years later. Receivers today do so much more and each year tends to bring better compliance to standards, additional features, the latest and greatest codecs and room correction features. I'm not the sort of person who continually upgrades, selling and buying, but I'm well aware that next years model is quite likely to technically obsolete or put me behind the curve of this years model. If you're comfortable with the brand, if your research indicates it has the features you need, the bugs you don't or can live with, if people aren't screaming this damned thing just keeps dying, then the country of origin, IMO, is irrelevent. If it's relevent to you, just shorten your short list and buy accordingly.
 
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