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If I calibrate using my DVD player, will my Television be calibrated for say my Xbox or HDTV Cable Box?

Is there a way to make sure the television is calibrated for cable tv?
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If you use the same type of input for both (component or HDMI), the only major problem with using a DVD player is with black level. DVD players vary with respect to their level of black. The better ones allow you to switch between regular and dark (how it's labeled will vary). Use the dark setting to calibrate for HD channels and the regular for SD.


Using a DVD player to calibrate all of the other user settings--Color, Tint, Sharpness, and Contrast--should be fine.
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If I calibrate using my DVD player, will my Television be calibrated for say my Xbox or HDTV Cable Box?

Is there a way to make sure the television is calibrated for cable tv?
Yes, it's called, "ISF Tech"
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If I calibrate using my DVD player, will my Television be calibrated for say my Xbox or HDTV Cable Box?

Is there a way to make sure the television is calibrated for cable tv?
Eric, I've found that using composite video (single RCA-type video cable, usually color-coded yellow) from my dvd player to calibrate for cable/satellite gives the best results. You could also buy a composite-to-RF adapter from Radio Shack and then run the dvd player straight into the set's RF antenna/cable input.
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If I calibrate using my DVD player, will my Television be calibrated for say my Xbox or HDTV Cable Box?

Is there a way to make sure the television is calibrated for cable tv?
By calibrating to your DVD, then your DVD will look correct on your TV for that input. You will also need to do the same thing for your your other inputs. For the Xbox use the same cal DVD disk. For you HDTV, if you get HDNet they broadcast a HD pattern set each tuesday morning you can use to cal with.
Thanks for the replys guys =D
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You could also buy a composite-to-RF adapter from Radio Shack and then run the dvd player straight into the set's RF antenna/cable input.
This is not a good idea for several reasons:

1) The modulator in these devices is not very good, so what the RF in on the TV sees is not standard.

2) If we are talking about HD, these modulators are NTSC - not ATSC or QAM, so entirely different parts of the TV are being used.


Any use of SD DVD players will result in black levels that are incorrect. Black on SD (DVD or broadcast) is 7.5IRE, black on HD is 0IRE.
[/quote]Any use of SD DVD players will result in black levels that are incorrect. Black on SD (DVD or broadcast) is 7.5IRE, black on HD is 0IRE.[/quote]


Actually, 7.5IRE is the standard black level for all SD baseband video(RF,composite, or "S" video). 0IRE is the standard for all component video SD or HD, analog or digital.


A properly designed DVD player would have it's composite and "S" video outputs set at 7.5IRE and it's analog component, DVI, and HDMI outputs set at 0IRE. This is rarely the case and most players instead offer some way to change the black level globally for all outputs, however, it seems that they rarely get the intended level perfect either.
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A properly designed DVD player would have it's composite and "S" video outputs set at 7.5IRE and it's analog component, DVI, and HDMI outputs set at 0IRE. This is rarely the case and most players instead offer some way to change the black level globally for all outputs, however, it seems that they rarely get the intended level perfect either.
Digital outputs do not involve IRE at all. It's not an applicable concept. It is, after all, a digital output.


I do believe I've pointed this out to you before...
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Digital outputs do not involve IRE at all. It's not an applicable concept. It is, after all, a digital output.


I do believe I've pointed this out to you before...
SO...if I put in DVE and have an 80IRE Window pattern coming out of the HDMI output of my DVD player, what non-applicable concept am I looking at?
IRE is really an analog unit that relates to voltage excursion. It's really a terrible unit because it does not directly relate to the image itself, but rather the signal. I along with some other, try to avoid using the IRE unit entirely, precisely because it's both a terrible unit and has become immensely confusing. If you're dealing with analog signals, use mV to describe the signal. If you're dealing with digital signals, use digital levels to describe that. If you are describing the image itself or the representation of the image itself, I use %. % is really the best in my opinion because it remains the same regardless of what is happening with the signal range. 0% is always going to be black and always going to be understood correctly as black when it's noted as 0%, regardless of whether the signal is digital video, or digital graphics, or analog with setup, or without, or just plain inaccurate analog, or whether the signal is made of peanut butter. It really doesn't matter because % relates directly to the image universally and what the image represents. IRE of course, well, just doesn't. But people think it does, and thus we have a mess. Which is why I try to completely avoid it wherever possible.


So I would say that it's an 80% pattern(assuming that's what it is, as it may not be, if it's an 80IRE pattern from say Avia/Avia PRO, it's not actually 80% it's actually like 78%, again because of this unfortunate IRE mess. The gap is much greater near black too, if you look at a 10% from DVE, and a 10IRE from Avia, the difference is pretty huge, Avia there is down to around 3%).


If you say that you're looking at 80IRE out from an HDMI, I mean, you're essentially saying that you're looking at some voltage value coming out from HDMI, which really is not coherent. I think most people can understand that you probably mean 80%, not actually 80IRE, but it's this mess that is unfortunate which is why IRE is a dead unit and thankfully missing from the newer test discs, including DVE.
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