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Will it happen in 2006?


If so, what will it cost (50")?


What does everyone's crystal ball say?


I am just trying to gauge whether to get the 8UK or Pio 5060 this year or grin and bear it and wait for 1080p. My distance from the display will be 8 feet, and I start to see SDE at that distance.
 

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You want 1920x1080 "native" res or something that supports 1920x1080i video content? Sounds like you want native.... why not just get a nice Panny8UK "50, the native res is at 1366x768 and DOES look "marvelous" viewing 1920x1080 videos. I got thrilled by it, no ghosting, super crystal clear and clean picture. I have 1920x1080, 1440x1080, and 1024x576 High definition videos and they look freaky impressive.
 

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Cheez - I hear you.


Looks like you have a nice setup with the Panny and HTPC. My only concern is SDE (or Screen Door Effect), where you see the pixel grid if you get too close. With a native 1080p display you don't see it.


Having said all that, I am quite prepared to buy the 8UK Panny or the 5060HD Pio this fall.
 

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You'd have to get pretty darn close to a 50" 1366x768 display to see any SDE.


I agree. I can see SDE on an ED at 8 feet but not a 42 HD and cetainly not a 50. I'm kind of in the same boat as you Wojtek but I don't know if I can wait ANOTHER year for a TV. Although I would like 1920x1080, I don't think I will notice that much difference over the current 50's. I'm still hanging in there for a 50 8UK.


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Kane - I don't think I can wait either.


If the new Pio 5060HD is a killer display, I am getting it.


Or I'll get the Panny 8UK and an NR scaler.


There's always something new around the corner.
 

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Many of us were expecting 1920x1080 this year from Panasonic for their commercial models. Talk about an expected delay (late November/December release) seemed to "confirm" our beliefs.


Unfortunately, we were wrong. The bight side, though, is that an executive for Matsushita/Panasonic (Japan) has made comments recently that 1920x1080 would have been nice, but was not quite doable this year.


Oh, well. Next year looks to be the debut of 1920x1080 plasma. And I'm sure Panasonic, at least, will offer 1080p input -- unlike some other asinine companies that don't with their 1920x1080 resolution displays.
 

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My thinking is that the reason that 8UK will be almost identical to 7UY is that the Matsushita R&D has been focused on 1080p work in the past year (or maybe longer).


One thing I can say:


if I buy a 50" 768p plasma this year, the new 50" 1080p plasma is GUARANTEED to become available the following year...:D
 

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The bight side, though, is that an executive for Matsushita/Panasonic (Japan) has made comments recently that 1920x1080 would have been nice, but was not quite doable this year.


Oh, well. Next year looks to be the debut of 1920x1080 plasma. And I'm sure Panasonic, at least, will offer 1080p input -- unlike some other asinine companies that don't with their 1920x1080 resolution displays.
Hi Joe, thanks for the information. Do you have a link for the executive comment, or/and for the 1080p input?
 

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Re: 1080p, there's been much "uproar" over 1920x1080 displays not being able to take in a 1080p digital signal. I doubt that, over a year after the first 1920x1080 displays have been introduced, that any manufacturer would be so, well... stupid. Besides, the next gen formats will be on the shelves and there will be more incentive to not cheap out.


I don't remember the thread where I saw the quote from the Matsushita executive. I want to say that rogo provided the link, but I'm not 100% sure. If I come across the link/quote, I'll be sure to post it here.
 

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Thanks again, Joe. Are you talking about an 1080p24 only, or do you mean the real deal (1080p24 + 1080p25 + 1080p50 + 1080p60)? I think even several of today's plasmas already accept 1080p24. But I've yet to see a TV accepting 1080p50/60.
 

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Much of the 1080p24 acceptance today is via analog connections.


The bottom line is not quite written in stone for the next gen format(s), so I don't know what rates we'll see when they're released.


Via HDMI, native 1080p24 and the display can (hopefully) do 72Hz or 1080p24 in the 1080i60 format (please not filtered!), but we'll probably see lots of 60Hz at first from the latter.


Why can't we have everything at once? :mad: :D
 

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Well, the 6G Pioneers can at least accept 1080p24 over HDMI, and I think the commercial Panasonics do that, too. But neither supports 1080p50/60. I want a panel with native 1080p resolution and all 1080p24/25/50/60 input over HDMI. Because only that way an external scaler can live up to its fullest potential.
 

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You might want to confirm that on the Pioneers: I know the commercial Panasonics are 1080p24 analog only -- not digital (except maybe via the HD-SDI for the 7UY models, but I'd have to check on that).
 

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You'd have to get pretty darn close to a 50" 1366x768 display to see any SDE.
Everybody's eyes are different. Mine are probably pretty much like wojtek's. Because of the way my eyes perceive things, factors like screen structure/pixel size and artifacting are just as important to me as more traditional PQ factors like perfectly natural colors and ultimate black levels/shadow detail (maybe even more so). On a 50" PDP I see slight SDE at 8'. It's not overly objectionable at that distance but it's definitely visible to me. At 10' and further it smooths right out. OTOH, the 1080p Sharp looks nice and smooth to me even closer than 8'. I'm one of those people that could never enjoy watching an ED PDP unless it was all the way across the room (like 12' or so).


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You might want to confirm that on the Pioneers: I know the commercial Panasonics are 1080p24 analog only -- not digital (except maybe via the HD-SDI for the 7UY models, but I'd have to check on that).
The manual of the 6G Pioneers sais the HDMI input supports 1080p24.


I believe I've seen a table where the Panasonic commercial 7G HDMI input supported 1080p24, while the 8G did not. What I found quite strange.
 
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