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Wilson's Gotham buster?

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I see Wilson has a new subwoofer

http://www.wilsonaudio.com/product/thor/innovations.php
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It looks good to me. I wonder how much it will cost.


They were also supposed to come up with a new bigger center speaker. Anyone have any news about it?
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think its 18k with no amp
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As all of you know I am probably one of Dave Wilson's biggest supporters havbing practically owned his entire line including the X-2 Series ll upgrade on order. Until recent over the weekend ly I owned his XS which was terrific with twin 18" drivers. Then I visited an audiophile buddy of mine in Dallas 6 weeks ago and heard a pair of Gotham subs in his room. I was amazed at how good they sounded. I was aware that there was a Thor's Hammer going to be available by WA. Nonetheless I sold my XS and Krell 750 Mcx which I used to drive it and bought a pair of Gotham subs. They finally showed up 3 days ago. I got them set up over the weekend. I must say that even though the X-2's go down to 19.5 Hz with 15" drivers, the pair of Gothams add a dimension to my system that is amazing. The finish on these subs is as good as the piano gloss black made by WA. They each have a 3800 watt amp and are able to use provided microphones for Automatic Room Optimization as well as time and phase alignment. I can cross them over anywhere from 30-130 Hz usin either 2nd or 4th order crossover. Each sub has MSRP of $11K so even though I love Wilson Audio, this Gotham is worthy of an audition in any HT or sound system. I have no regrets. A pair of Thor Hammers and amps IMO will have MSRP of > $50K


As for the "Polaris" center channel it remains a no show
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think its 18k with no amp
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I was close. I guessed 20k.
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Originally Posted by oneobgyn /forum/post/12813810


As all of you know I am probably one of Dave Wilson's biggest supporters havbing practically owned his entire line including the X-2 Series ll upgrade on order. Until recent over the weekend ly I owned his XS which was terrific with twin 18" drivers. Then I visited an audiophile buddy of mine in Dallas 6 weeks ago and heard a pair of Gotham subs in his room. I was amazed at how good they sounded. I was aware that there was a Thor's Hammer going to be available by WA. Nonetheless I sold my XS and Krell 750 Mcx which I used to drive it and bought a pair of Gotham subs. They finally showed up 3 days ago. I got them set up over the weekend. I must say that even though the X-2's go down to 19.5 Hz with 15" drivers, the pair of Gothams add a dimension to my system that is amazing. The finish on these subs is as good as the piano gloss black made by WA. They each have a 3800 watt amp and are able to use provided microphones for Automatic Room Optimization as well as time and phase alignment. I can cross them over anywhere from 30-130 Hz usin either 2nd or 4th order crossover. Each sub has MSRP of $11K so even though I love Wilson Audio, this Gotham is worthy of an audition in any HT or sound system. I have no regrets. A pair of Thor Hammers and amps IMO will have MSRP of > $50K


As for the "Polaris" center channel it remains a no show
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I can't wait to hear them. I bet they are fabulous.
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The interesting thing about it is that I have the Lamm ML 3 Reference amps on loan in my room and the bass is so good that I don't need the Gothams for music but rather for HT.


I am suggesting a BAAS meeting this weekend for those who want to hear these amps and subs. Either day works for me. I will make some calls to our members
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Not so sure you have to worry too much about phase alignment at those frequencies unless your room is huge...
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My dilemma right now is having on loan the ML 3 Reference amps
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I have helped set up several Fathoms, and too have a pair of Gothams in my listening room, though not yet hooked up.


I have found phase to be hugely important when integrating subwoofers. Here is the method that has worked well for me: You'll need some form of measurement device, I use True RTA on my laptop, but a simple SPL meter will suffice. First, you'll measure only one speaker at a time, level matched with the sub. Reverse the speaker cable leads so that the speaker is 180 degrees out of phase. Whatever your crossover frequency is, say 50Hz, run a tone at that frequency through the speaker/sub. Adjust the phase on the sub until you measure the greatest suckout -- it will be dramatic (and the reason you don't measure the greatest summing point). Correct the speaker cables and you're set -- speakers and sub will be in phase. One tip I gathered from Paul Barton at CES is to use as steep a slope as possible so that you do not create phase issues on either side of the crossover frequency, which you won't be able to adjust for.


As a side note, I've found two subwoofers work best, but run in mono.
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you are going to love the Gothams. Presently I am running the X-2's full range and using the Gothams to bring up the bottom (exactly the same as you did with the XS). As a result I am experimenting between crossing them over between 30-40 Hz using 4th order crossover in order to minimize extra and unwanted midrange volume added to the room. I do agree that phase is very important
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How does the JL compare to the four driver Genelec?
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I wonder how it compares to this
http://www.bagend.com/bagend/d12e-c.htm


with all of its electronics and a 4000 watt amp... yummy
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Originally Posted by oneobgyn /forum/post/12815344


The interesting thing about it is that I have the Lamm ML 3 Reference amps on loan in my room and the bass is so good that I don't need the Gothams for music but rather for HT.


I am suggesting a BAAS meeting this weekend for those who want to hear these amps and subs. Either day works for me. I will make some calls to our members
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i was fortunate to have attended the BAAS meeting in oneobgyn's fantastic sound room today (my wife's worst fear every time i visit him).


the ML 3 reference amps are in one simple word "jewels". the soundstage and accurate reproduction were truly remarkable. i have had the pleasure of hearing one ob's past generations, and the system has never sounded as good as todays setup.


my vote is to use the gotham subs in the home theater mode, and pull the out of the system for music. one of the test cuts had the subs producing bass at a level i never believed possible. i loved his XS sub, but i think he has taken us to another level
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Strange place to post about our yesterday's BAAS meeting. As always it was not only fun but lit up our ears acoustically. Leave it to Ron Party to always provide new music for listening and the Dizzman to bring is RTA for room analysis. Morbius always provided the educational aspect of things for me while els and Jeffmac prove to be educated listeners. It was nice that Jeffmac brought his wife who also is also an audiophile. The Gothams are far from broken it but it seemed from members there that the conscensus was to leave them out of the audio side and use them only in the HT (although Ron Party felt better involvement with the sound when the subs were on). It was as always nice to put a face to a name as we welcomed Health Nut as out newest member. During the interlude he provided much insight to Jeffmac and myself about the Sim C3X 1080 which with the Isco lll lens and cabling was sitting in many boxes in the room. As always discussion about the T1 vs T2 came up and as discussed in another thread there seems to be no difference. Health Nut came wearing his button "I hate Anal Lawyers" but inspite of this we raised our wine glasses in toast to everyone's favorite lawyer Steve Bruzonsky. We were going to have one sip for each thread started in the past one week by Steve Bruzonsky but I did some quick mathematical calculations and established that my wine cellar wasn't large enough to achieve this. As for the new Lamm ML3 Reference amps it was an almost surreal experience. I have had them in my room now for the past one week and every day listening is like a new found hobby. I will be returning them tomorrow to fellow BAAS member and AVSer Grellberg in order to minimize any damage to the amps in my room installation....we have been given a "scratch it or damage it and you own it" from Vladimir. All present will attest that even with all lights in the room off the amps main output tube produces enough light like a 25 watt bulb ( could this be my excuse not to own them as they will throw unwanted light onto the screen above?)....Health Nut however has figured a quick fix for this problem...I was trying not to listen


Thanks to all attending for making a fun afternoon and welcoming Health Nut to BAAS


BTW the last time we toasted anyone other than Steve Bruzonsky at one of our events was Refugio Balais aka Richie Duroseau. It was comforting to know that Steve B was in such an elite league
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Originally Posted by Jeff Fritz /forum/post/12815667


I have helped set up several Fathoms, and too have a pair of Gothams in my listening room, though not yet hooked up.


I have found phase to be hugely important when integrating subwoofers. Here is the method that has worked well for me: You'll need some form of measurement device, I use True RTA on my laptop, but a simple SPL meter will suffice. First, you'll measure only one speaker at a time, level matched with the sub. Reverse the speaker cable leads so that the speaker is 180 degrees out of phase. Whatever your crossover frequency is, say 50Hz, run a tone at that frequency through the speaker/sub. Adjust the phase on the sub until you measure the greatest suckout -- it will be dramatic (and the reason you don't measure the greatest summing point). Correct the speaker cables and you're set -- speakers and sub will be in phase. One tip I gathered from Paul Barton at CES is to use as steep a slope as possible so that you do not create phase issues on either side of the crossover frequency, which you won't be able to adjust for.


As a side note, I've found two subwoofers work best, but run in mono.
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Jeff, that actually sounds like a fast and easy way to at least somewhat optimize the sub setup. Thanks for posting.
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Tzucc


you will have to hear these Gothams in my room. Even you I bet will be impresed
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That sub is ugly with the ports in front, imo. The Gothams are much nicer looking, and I'll bet a pair of them will walk all over it.
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Tim


Not sure I understand your post. A pair of Gothams will walk over what?
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Tim


Not sure I understand your post. A pair of Gothams will walk over what?
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Sorry, I was referring to Thor's Hammer.
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