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Windows 7 7600.16385 built in decoder seems to work well for HA on high bitrate mkv

68597 Views 219 Replies 49 Participants Last post by StinDaWg, Nov 11, 2010

crkpot

Discussion Starter · Jul 25, 2009

From the testing I have done it seems that MS built in video decoder is now polished and may be fully capable of taking on fulltime decoder tasks. All I had to do was install Haali splitter (64bit version) and my library plays perfectly smooth with well less than 10% cpu on mkv's encoded up to 13k. I also had to install ac3filter for audio decoding not supported by MS, but I prefer to use it anyways for the equalizer and gain controls.

So for a simple and effective setup with only 2 external programs required to get things rolling, that's great news.

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-Hitman-

· #2 · Jul 26, 2009

I agree that the Ms codecs are better but definately not right yet!

Simple single display modes work now, and has done before with codec packs but when you get in to more advanced modes with multi monitors it all falls down.

voranand

· #3 · Jul 26, 2009

MS decoder in my Win 7 RC is unusable in my system with no HA capable graphic card while CoreAVC 1.8.5 handle every HD movie thrown at it spectacularly. I just hope the new version also has improvement in that aspect.

roots4x

· #4 · Jul 26, 2009

Note the OP is talking about 7600 which is supposedly the RTM, not the RC or Beta. I hope that's the case because with Haali 64-bit on a system with a 9800GT and a fast dual core, I still get video jumping after seeking manually in a movie.

crkpot

Discussion Starter · #5 · Jul 26, 2009

Yeah my observation was for the people that were disappointed with the Media Foundation codecs first included with the RC release. It was great news at first that MS was providing pretty much everything necessary for the average joes to be able to play theri files. But it was disappointing when we found out that they didn't work right for common tasks. Then on top of that the Media Foundation codecs were locked down making it even more difficult to use 3rd party solutions.

So now if the MS codecs do what most people need them to do and simply play their media (preferrably hardware accelerated) with the least amount of tinkering and hunting down 3rd party solutions, then it's good news most.

renethx

· #6 · Jul 27, 2009

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Originally Posted by crkpot /forum/post/16891648

Yeah my observation was for the people that were disappointed with the Media Foundation codecs first included with the RC release.

BTW Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder (for MPEG-1/MPEG-2/H.264) is not a Media Foundation transform (codec); it's a DirectShow filter so that you can use it in a DirectShow media player such as MPC HomeCinema.

whiteboy714

· #7 · Jul 27, 2009

So OP are you talking about media player or media center or both??

crkpot

Discussion Starter · #8 · Jul 28, 2009

Both. I only use media center and/or player for my media and prefer the minimalist setup. MPCVideoDec.ax worked well for me before but now it's not necessary. Microsofts decoder works just as well on this release.

renethx

· #9 · Jul 28, 2009

I tested both versions of Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder in Windows 7 RTM. Surely stuttering frequently seen with the previous version disappeared and playback is now silky smooth with the new version. Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder in RTM is a good alternative to MPC Video Decoder for H.264 playback.

The l.h.s. is Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder from RC (7100) and the r.h.s is Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder from RTM (7600).

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shayking

· #10 · Jul 28, 2009

Hello guys, this is good news...

1. so, we do not need to disable MF.dll's and such to over come mircosofts media foundations splitters etc?

2. Can Halli x64 splitter/FFdshow Audio take priority without modding sys files?

3. or are MS filters/splitters handling it all now.

StinDaWg

· #11 · Jul 28, 2009

Good deal. Have you tried any high bitrate .m2ts Blu-ray rips? If so do they play smoothly and with HA? Were you able to FF/RW and all that no problems, no skipping? What about subtitles?

weneversleep

· #12 · Jul 28, 2009

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Originally Posted by renethx /forum/post/16900898

I tested both versions of Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder in Windows 7 RTM.

Running a leaked/hacked build?

Even if you're an MSDN subscriber, you don't get W7 RTM until August 6.

Unless, of course, you work for MS...

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-Hitman-

· #13 · Jul 28, 2009

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Originally Posted by shayking /forum/post/16901781

Hello guys, this is good news...

1. so, we do not need to disable MF.dll's and such to over come mircosofts media foundations splitters etc?

2. Can Halli x64 splitter/FFdshow Audio take priority without modding sys files?

3. or are MS filters/splitters handling it all now.

If your using a single display then yes you should be ok with the inbuilt directshow and media foundation codecs but if you use multi monitors 2 or more then no other option but to disable Ms codecs and run your own 3rd party codecs.

The latest RTM is much improved, i no longer got horrendous judder-stutter-jerky video with 1 display but as soon as another display is added video stutters every 2-3 seconds on the second display and playing video on the main display stutters all the time, this IS an improvement from earlier builds but not there yet!

This is with media center and WMP12 playing standard def and High def video movie files, mainly SD via AVI and 720p1080p via MKV and Mpeg2/m2ts (HWA and no HWA) and i have had to disable the Ms codecs again obviously for perfect smooth playback.

Microsoft are also now aware of this.

BTW

You still have to install Haali for MKV support and hack for third party codecs.

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StinDaWg

· #14 · Jul 28, 2009

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Originally Posted by weneversleep /forum/post/16902830

Running a leaked/hacked build?

Even if you're an MSDN subscriber, you don't get W7 RTM until August 6.

Unless, of course, you work for MS...

Obviously he is unless he works for MS.. they're all over the torrents man. Even Microsoft confirmed the hash and it's officially the RTM copy.

archer75

· #15 · Jul 28, 2009

There is a pretty noticeable image quality difference. This past weekend I tried the built in codec and then manually got the MPC-HC AVC filter and registered it and set it as system default. You could definitely see the difference, in favor the the MPC filter.

I was using W7 Media Center for playback.

shayking

· #16 · Jul 29, 2009

thanks hitman & others...good news good news, ms is aware of the other kinks also.

ive been sitting on 76hun, but was debating the install.

switching over tonight...maybe :/

renethx

· #17 · Jul 29, 2009

Quote:
Originally Posted by shayking /forum/post/16901781

Hello guys, this is good news...

1. so, we do not need to disable MF.dll's and such to over come mircosofts media foundations splitters etc?

2. Can Halli x64 splitter/FFdshow Audio take priority without modding sys files?

3. or are MS filters/splitters handling it all now.

If you want to play "MKV" in MC, you don't have to do anything fancy. Just install Haali Media Splitter (x64) and that's it. Win7DSFilterTweaker is a handy tool to control codecs.

BTW Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder is not a Media Foundation Transform (MFT), it's a DirectShow filter, an evolution from the old Microsoft MPEG-2 Video Decoder DirectShow filter.

renethx

· #18 · Jul 29, 2009

Quote:
Originally Posted by weneversleep /forum/post/16902830

Running a leaked/hacked build?

Leaked ISO, of course. 120 days trial (by 'rearm') until you buy a valid license key (long enough for me to try it instead of RC).

Quote:
Originally Posted by StinDaWg /forum/post/16902401

Good deal. Have you tried any high bitrate .m2ts Blu-ray rips? If so do they play smoothly and with HA? Were you able to FF/RW and all that no problems, no skipping? What about subtitles?

Yup, all MKV files I tested were created BD movies. HA works fine. Multi-dispaly? No problem at all. But I still see black screen at FF/RW. Subtitles mean no HA, of course (only MPC HomeCinema and MediaPortal internal player with MPC HomeCinema subtitle engine can do HA with subtitles).

Actually Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder is not a big deal. You can choose any codec you like in a couple of mouse clicks.

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crkpot

Discussion Starter · #19 · Jul 29, 2009

I bet Haali splitter is about to get a whole lot more popular as it's the one thing required for simple mkv playback and Windows 7 is catering to htpc use at the same time internet tv is hitting it's stride.

StinDaWg

· #20 · Jul 29, 2009

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Originally Posted by crkpot /forum/post/16887786

I also had to install ac3filter for audio decoding not supported by MS, but I prefer to use it anyways for the equalizer and gain controls.

What audio can't the Microsoft codecs support? It can do DTS/DTH-HD can't it? Or at least decode the DTS core of a DTS-HD track?

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