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Is there a good piece of software or maybe it is built in to windows 8. But JUST for drive pooling? I have weird wonky problems with XBMC and smb and I am pretty sure its due to flexraid's drive pooling. So if there is a better alternative or one built in to windows I would prefer that. I dont think storage spaces allows just the storage pooling feature.
 

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I think storage spaces does support the drive pooling but I could be wrong, I was just looking up info on this a week or two ago as I'm getting ready to replace my 4 2TB drives in my WHS 2011 box with 5 3TB drives and was thinking of going RAID 5 or pooling but would need S2012E to accomplish this.


Hopefully I can get some time here @ work to experiment with it next week
 

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I would highly recommend you DONT use storage spaces. You could live to regret it.


I use StableBit DrivePool in WHS 2011 (it works in Windows 8 as well). It's a great bit of software, and I've not had a problem with it. There's also DriveBender, which does a similar job.
 

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Storage Spaces does do simple drive pooling, mirroring, and parity. However, the parity takes a big performance hit. Using pooling with or without mirroring you won't take the performance hit. However, to move to Storage Spaces the drives have to be formatted. Using StableBit Drive Pool, DriveBender, or FlexRAID you can keep the data on your drives during the creation and even after uninstalling the programs.


I use FlexRAID with pooling a parity for my data storage with Win Server 2012 Essentials. I have a 2TB work disc for data that I don't want in my FlexRAID pool (changes often and don't want any media streaming drives to get accessed while writing to it) and had an extra 2TB drive. So in that case I created a Storage Spaces Mirror using the two 2TB drives. I actually pulled one of the Storage Spaces mirrored drives and connected it to a Win8 PC and it read it just like a normal drive. I then added it back into the mirror with no issues (didn't write to the drive or the other mirror). So Storage Spaces works fine as long as you can temporarily move your data and avoid using parity mode.
 

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Sorry I forgot to mention I just want storage pooling nothing else. I can use flexraid for parity etc..... There is a bug it seems in flexraid that is causing Filesystemwatcher to not work so folders are not updating live. So I just need one that will pool them into one. If storage spaces can simply do the pooling and nothing else that would work, but i dont think i can just use the pooling feature. I am on win8 pro.
 

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Originally Posted by djtoodles  /t/1462095/windows-drive-pooling#post_23057347


Sorry I forgot to mention I just want storage pooling nothing else. I can use flexraid for parity etc..... There is a bug it seems in flexraid that is causing Filesystemwatcher to not work so folders are not updating live. So I just need one that will pool them into one. If storage spaces can simply do the pooling and nothing else that would work, but i dont think i can just use the pooling feature. I am on win8 pro.

If you just want storage pooling (no parity), then check out what I mentioned before. You do get the option of folder mirroring with these tools if you want some system resiliance.
 

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If you just want storage pooling (no parity), then check out what I mentioned before. You do get the option of folder mirroring with these tools if you want some system resiliance.

x2 drivepool is pretty good and i use it with flexraid
 

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x2 drivepool is pretty good and i use it with flexraid
if you dont mind me asking did you run into a problem with flexraid storage pooling as well? is that why you went for a different product?
 

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Originally Posted by djtoodles  /t/1462095/windows-drive-pooling/0_50#post_23057347


There is a bug it seems in flexraid that is causing Filesystemwatcher to not work so folders are not updating live

Can you further describe what you are trying to do with Filesystemwatcher?
 

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Can you further describe what you are trying to do with Filesystemwatcher?
Oh I am not trying to do anything with it in particular. I think that is what is causing my problem with FlexRaid is all..


Basically XBMC will not update my movies library at all. I have to manually do it. I have watchdog setup as well and it doesnt auto-update new files. So it makes me thing from doing some searching that Filesystemwatcher is causing the problem. As my XBMC is pointing off to the storage pool of flexraid. Looking at logs of XBMC or FlexRaid provide nothing to show any problems in either.
 

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+1 for Stablebit DrivePool. It's the same price as DriveBender. However, while DriveBender's management utilities are more detailed, I've had a bad experience with it after losing a couple hard drives due to the complexity of the repair process.


DrivePool, while not having as many management features, is much simpler to operate. The only downside with these options is that I don't believe mounted volumes (which DriveBender and DrivePool are) can be use through NFS. Depending how your sources in XBMC are setup, this could cause issues with your library.


Good luck with your library issues. I am also having problems with my XBMC Library, but mine is non-existant, though the sources and MySQL DB are fine, there is nothing in the Library view.
 

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Originally Posted by djtoodles  /t/1462095/windows-drive-pooling#post_23057761


if you dont mind me asking did you run into a problem with flexraid storage pooling as well? is that why you went for a different product?

Actually i had drivepool before flexraid and since it was working, easy to use, and supposed to work with flexraid i just stuck with it.
 

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Originally Posted by djtoodles  /t/1462095/windows-drive-pooling/0_50#post_23058108


Oh I am not trying to do anything with it in particular. I think that is what is causing my problem with FlexRaid is all..


Basically XBMC will not update my movies library at all. I have to manually do it. I have watchdog setup as well and it doesnt auto-update new files. So it makes me thing from doing some searching that Filesystemwatcher is causing the problem. As my XBMC is pointing off to the storage pool of flexraid. Looking at logs of XBMC or FlexRaid provide nothing to show any problems in either.

Is watchdog running on the machine with the storage? I don't believe it works over network shares


Is flexraid mounted as removable or not? FlexraidFS or NTFS? Proabably needs to be non-removable and NTFS for watchdog. If you had to add SMB sources instead of local sources for a MySQL library, I'm not sure that watchdog will work in it's current form
 

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Is watchdog running on the machine with the storage? I don't believe it works over network shares


Is flexraid mounted as removable or not? FlexraidFS or NTFS? Proabably needs to be non-removable and NTFS for watchdog. If you had to add SMB sources instead of local sources for a MySQL library, I'm not sure that watchdog will work in it's current form

Its non removable and NTFS. It was crashing win8 when it was not setup that way.
 

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+1 for Stablebit DrivePool. It's the same price as DriveBender. However, while DriveBender's management utilities are more detailed, I've had a bad experience with it after losing a couple hard drives due to the complexity of the repair process.


DrivePool, while not having as many management features, is much simpler to operate. The only downside with these options is that I don't believe mounted volumes (which DriveBender and DrivePool are) can be use through NFS. Depending how your sources in XBMC are setup, this could cause issues with your library.


Good luck with your library issues. I am also having problems with my XBMC Library, but mine is non-existant, though the sources and MySQL DB are fine, there is nothing in the Library view.

I think mysql doesnt work with NFS. Everything I have read says XBMC with mysql should use smb shares. I have my movies setup as playlist. I wanted to splited stand-up and other specials from my main movies.
 

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Storage Spaces in Windows 8 will do it. Just add your drives to the pool and set up a Simple space (no mirroring or parity). It's essentially software RAID 0, but you can use different sized disks of any number, and add more space in the future without reformatting.
 

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Originally Posted by djtoodles  /t/1462095/windows-drive-pooling/0_50#post_23066953


Its non removable and NTFS. It was crashing win8 when it was not setup that way.

I had it setup that way as well and yes it does give you a BSOD every time a network user tries to access the shares. It doesn't mind the logged in user accessing the storage pool though, just network requests


Further, I can tell you the problem is not with Flexraid, but a limitation of Library Watchdog. It can only watch local drives, not SMB paths. Unfortunately if you are going to sync your library with MySQL, you have to add the sources as SMB shares and watchdog will not be able to monitor them unless they improve it's functionality in a future upgrade.


A good workaround is to let MCM process those titles, and use all the applicable checkboxes in the MCM settings tab for XBMC. You're XBMC settings need to "Allow other programs to control XBMC" and you'll need to enter the right credentials into MCM settings for XBMC. Afterwards, anything MCM completes will kick off an XBMC library update through it's builtin XBMC api. Works fine over the network
 

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Storage Spaces in Windows 8 will do it. Just add your drives to the pool and set up a Simple space (no mirroring or parity). It's essentially software RAID 0, but you can use different sized disks of any number, and add more space in the future without reformatting.

You sure about that? It will work ONLY as a pooling nothing else? I was under the impression from what I have read that storage spaces is all or nothing. All my disk have info so I cant afford to lose anything.


I would prefer to use flexraid for the parity and such.
 

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I had it setup that way as well and yes it does give you a BSOD every time a network user tries to access the shares. It doesn't mind the logged in user accessing the storage pool though, just network requests


Further, I can tell you the problem is not with Flexraid, but a limitation of Library Watchdog. It can only watch local drives, not SMB paths. Unfortunately if you are going to sync your library with MySQL, you have to add the sources as SMB shares and watchdog will not be able to monitor them unless they improve it's functionality in a future upgrade.


A good workaround is to let MCM process those titles, and use all the applicable checkboxes in the MCM settings tab for XBMC. You're XBMC settings need to "Allow other programs to control XBMC" and you'll need to enter the right credentials into MCM settings for XBMC. Afterwards, anything MCM completes will kick off an XBMC library update through it's builtin XBMC api. Works fine over the network

You sure on watchdog? It worked fine for TV shows which were accessing the same share, Some movies groups of movies would work some would not. it was an intermittent issue.. what is MCM?
 
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